## Arakhin Daf 22b

###### Arakhin 22b:1
[Arakhin 22b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:1)

תְּנַן: שׁוּם הַיְּתוֹמִים שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם, וְשׁוּם הַהֶקְדֵּשׁ שִׁשִּׁים יוֹם, וּמַכְרִיזִין בַּבֹּקֶר וּבָעֶרֶב. בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן? אִילֵימָא בְּבַעַל חוֹב גּוֹי — מִי צָאֵית? אֶלָּא פְּשִׁיטָא בְּבַעַל חוֹב יִשְׂרָאֵל.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara attempts to determine the correct reason why the court does not attend to the property of minor orphans: **We learned** in the mishna that one proclaims **the appraisal of the** property of minor **orphans** that is being sold for **thirty days, and** one proclaims **the appraisal of consecrated** property for **sixty days, and one proclaims** it **in the morning and in the evening.** The Gemara asks: **What are we dealing with** here? **If we say** that the mishna is dealing **with a gentile creditor** who is unwilling to wait until the orphans reach majority, **will he comply** with the court’s directive that the appraisal of the property be proclaimed for thirty days before it is sold? **Rather,** it is **obvious** that the mishna is dealing **with a Jewish creditor.**


###### Arakhin 22b:2
[Arakhin 22b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:2)

בִּשְׁלָמָא לְרַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, מוֹקֵי לַהּ בְּשֶׁחַיָּיב מוֹדֶה, אֶלָּא לְרַב פָּפָּא — קַשְׁיָא!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara concludes its proof: **Granted, according to** the opinion of **Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua,** who says that the court does not attend to the property of minor orphans due to a concern that their father might have left bundles of coins with the creditor, he can **establish** the mishna as referring **to** a case **where** the one **obligated** to pay, i.e., the father, **admits** before his death that he has not paid. In such a case, the court does not wait to collect payment until the orphans reach majority. **But according to** the opinion of **Rav Pappa,** that the court does not attend to the property of minor orphans because they are not obligated in the mitzva to repay a loan, the mishna poses **a difficulty.**


###### Arakhin 22b:3
[Arakhin 22b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:3)

אָמַר לְךָ רַב פָּפָּא: אִי בָּעֵית אֵימָא — כְּתוּבָּה מִשּׁוּם חִינָּא, וְאִי בָּעֵית אֵימָא — בְּבַעַל חוֹב גּוֹי שֶׁקִּיבֵּל עָלָיו לָדוּן בְּדִינֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara explains that **Rav Pappa** could **say to you: If you wish, say** that the mishna is referring to a case where the court sells the property of the orphans in order to collect payment for **a marriage contract,** which the court does **for the sake of favor,** i.e., in order that the wife will own property and be desirable for marriage. **And if you wish, say** instead that the mishna is dealing **with a gentile creditor who accepted upon himself to adjudicate** in accordance **with Jewish law.** He therefore agrees to delay collection for thirty days.


###### Arakhin 22b:4
[Arakhin 22b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:4)

אִי קִיבֵּל עָלָיו, לִינְטַר לְהוּ עַד דְּגָדְלִי! שֶׁקִּיבֵּל עָלָיו לָזוֹ, וְלֹא קִיבֵּל עָלָיו לָזוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara objects: **If he accepted** Jewish law **upon himself,** then **let him wait for** the orphans **until they reach majority** before demanding payment of the loan. The Gemara explains: The mishna is referring to a case **where he accepted** Jewish law **upon himself for this** matter, to delay collection for thirty days, **but he did not accept** it **upon himself for that** matter, to wait until they reach majority.


###### Arakhin 22b:5
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תָּא שְׁמַע: עַל מְנָת לִיתֵּן לָאִשָּׁה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ, וּלְבַעַל חוֹב חוֹבוֹ. בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן? אִילֵימָא בְּבַעַל חוֹב גּוֹי — מִי צָיֵית? אֶלָּא פְּשִׁיטָא בְּבַעַל חוֹב יִשְׂרָאֵל.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara suggests: **Come** and **hear** a proof from a *baraita*: When one proclaims the appraisal of the property of orphans, he announces that the property is being sold **in order to give** the proceeds **to a wife** as payment of **her marriage contract, or** in order **to** give **a creditor** payment of **his debt.** The Gemara asks: **What are we dealing with** in the *baraita*? **If we say** that the *baraita* is referring **to a gentile creditor** who is unwilling to wait until the orphans reach majority, **will he comply** with the court’s directive that the appraisal of the property is proclaimed for thirty days before it is sold? **Rather,** it is **obvious** that the mishna is referring **to a Jewish creditor.**


###### Arakhin 22b:6
[Arakhin 22b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:6)

בִּשְׁלָמָא לְרַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, מוֹקֵי לַהּ בְּשֶׁחַיָּיב מוֹדֶה. אֶלָּא לְרַב פָּפָּא, בִּשְׁלָמָא כְּתוּבָּה — מִשּׁוּם חִינָּא, אֶלָּא בַּעַל חוֹב קַשְׁיָא!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara continues: **Granted, according to** the opinion of **Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua,** he can **establish** the mishna as referring **to** a case **where** the one **obligated** to pay **admits** before his death that he has not paid. **But according to** the opinion of **Rav Pappa, granted,** the court collects payment of **a marriage contract for the sake of favor; but** the fact that they sell the property in order to pay **a creditor** poses a **difficulty.**


###### Arakhin 22b:7
[Arakhin 22b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:7)

לְעוֹלָם בְּבַעַל חוֹב גּוֹי, וּכְגוֹן שֶׁקִּיבֵּל עָלָיו לָדוּן בְּדִינֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל. אִי קִיבֵּל עָלָיו, לִינְטַר לְהוּ עַד דְּגָדְלִי! שֶׁקִּיבֵּל עָלָיו לָזוֹ, וְלֹא קִיבֵּל עָלָיו לָזוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara responds: **Actually,** the *baraita* is dealing **with a gentile creditor, and** is it referring to a case **where he accepted upon himself to adjudicate** in accordance **with Jewish law.** He therefore agrees to delay collection for thirty days. The Gemara objects: **If he accepted** Jewish law **upon himself,** then **let him wait for** the orphans **until they reach majority** before demanding payment of the loan. The Gemara again explains: The *baraita* is dealing with a case **where he accepted** Jewish law **upon himself for this** matter, to delay collection for thirty days, **but he did not accept** it **upon himself for that** matter, to wait until they reach majority.


###### Arakhin 22b:8
[Arakhin 22b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:8)

רָבָא אָמַר: מִשּׁוּם שׁוֹבָר. אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ לְרָבָא: וּמִי חָיְישִׁינַן לְשׁוֹבָר? וְהָתְנַן: הַנִּפְרַעַת שֶׁלֹּא בְּפָנָיו — לֹא תִּפָּרַע אֶלָּא בִּשְׁבוּעָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rava says:** The court does not collect payment from the property of minor orphans **due to** the concern that there might be **a receipt,** i.e., perhaps their father repaid the loan and received a receipt attesting to his payment and the orphans are unaware of its existence. **Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua, said to Rava: But are we concerned for** the existence of **a receipt? Didn’t we learn** in a mishna (*Ketubot* 87a): A woman **who collects** the payment of her marriage contract from the property of her husband **when not in his presence,** e.g., if her husband is overseas, **may collect only by** means of **an oath** that she has not yet received payment.


###### Arakhin 22b:9
[Arakhin 22b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:9)

וְאָמַר רַבִּי אַחָא שַׂר הַבִּירָה: מַעֲשֶׂה בָּא לִפְנֵי רַבִּי יִצְחָק נַפָּחָא לְאַנְטוֹכְיָא, וְאָמַר: לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא כְּתוּבַּת אִשָּׁה מִשּׁוּם חִינָּא, אֲבָל בַּעַל חוֹב — לָא, וְרַבָּה אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן: אֲפִילּוּ בַּעַל חוֹב נָמֵי,

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And Rabbi Aḥa Sar HaBira says: An incident came before Rabbi Yitzḥak Nappaḥa in Antioch, and he issued a ruling and said: They taught** this *halakha*, that she may collect the payment of her marriage contract in her husband’s absence, **only** with regard to **the wife’s marriage contract, for the sake of favor. But a creditor** does **not** have the right to collect the debt that is owed to him in the debtor’s absence. **And Rabba** says that **Rav Naḥman says: Even a creditor** may collect a payment by means of an oath in the debtor’s absence.


###### Arakhin 22b:10
[Arakhin 22b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:10)

וְאִי חָיְישַׁתְּ לְשׁוֹבָר — הָתָם נָמֵי נֵיחוּשׁ! אֲמַר לֵיהּ: הָתָם, כִּדְאָמְרִינַן טַעְמָא, שֶׁלֹּא יְהֵא כׇּל אֶחָד נוֹטֵל מְעוֹתָיו שֶׁל חֲבֵירוֹ וְהוֹלֵךְ וְיוֹשֵׁב לוֹ בִּמְדִינַת הַיָּם.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Rav Huna explains the difficulty: **And if you are concerned for** the existence of **a receipt,** then in that case **there as well,** where the obligated party is overseas, **let us be concerned** that he has in fact paid the debt and received a receipt. Rava **said to him:** In that case **there,** one is not concerned about the existence of a receipt, in accordance **with the reason that we say:** It is in order **that** there should **not** be a situation where **every person will take the money of another and go and reside in a country overseas,** to prevent the creditor from collecting the money from his property.


###### Arakhin 22b:11
[Arakhin 22b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:11)

אָמַר רָבָא, הִלְכְתָא: אֵין נִזְקָקִין לְנִכְסֵי יְתוֹמִין, וְאִם אָמַר: ״תְּנוּ״ — נִזְקָקִין. ״שָׂדֶה זוֹ״ וּ״מָנֶה זוֹ״ — נִזְקָקִין וְאֵין מַעֲמִידִין אַפּוֹטְרוֹפּוֹס, ״שָׂדֶה״ סְתָם וּ״מָנֶה״ סְתָם — נִזְקָקִין וּמַעֲמִידִין אַפּוֹטְרוֹפּוֹס.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rava says: The *halakha*** is that the court **does not attend to the property of** minor **orphans** in order to pay the debts owed by their father. **But if** their father **said** before his death: **Give** so-and-so the payment of my debt, the court **attends** to their property. Specifically, if the father said: Give **this field** to so-and-so, **or:** Give **this one hundred** dinars to so-and-so, then the court **attends** to their property to collect payment, **and** the court **does not install a steward [*apotropos*]** to negotiate with the creditor on their behalf. If he said: Give **a field** to so-and-so, i.e., **an unspecified** field, or: Give **one hundred** dinars to so-and-so, i.e., **unspecified** dinars, then the court **attends** to the property of the orphans **and** they **install a steward** to act on their behalf, to ensure that the best fields remain in their possession.


###### Arakhin 22b:12
[Arakhin 22b:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:12)

אָמְרִי נְהַרְדָּעֵי: בְּכוּלְּהוּ נִזְקָקִין וּמַעֲמִידִין אַפּוֹטְרוֹפּוֹס, לְבַד מִנִּמְצֵאת שָׂדֶה שֶׁאֵינָהּ שֶׁלּוֹ, דְּאַחְזוֹקֵי סָהֲדֵי בְּשַׁקָּרֵי לָא מַחְזְקִינַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
By contrast, the Sages **of Neharde’a say: In all of** these cases where the father told his children before his death to give an item, the court **attends** to the property of the orphans **and** they **install a steward** to act on their behalf, **except for** a situation **where a field is found** in their possession with regard to which witnesses have testified **that** it **is not** their father’s, but is in fact stolen. In such a case, the stolen field is seized and returned to its owner without recourse to a steward, **as we do not presume** that **witnesses are liars.**


###### Arakhin 22b:13
[Arakhin 22b:13](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Arakhin/r/22b:13)

אָמַר רַב אָשֵׁי: הִלְכָּךְ אִזְדְּקוֹקֵי לָא מִזְדַּקְקִינַן, דְּהָא אָמַר רָבָא: הִלְכְתָא אֵין נִזְקָקִין, וְאִי מִזְדַּקְקִינַן מוֹקְמִינַן אַפּוֹטְרוֹפּוֹס, דְּאָמְרִי נְהַרְדָּעֵי: בְּכוּלְּהוּ נִזְקָקִין וּמַעֲמִידִין אַפּוֹטְרוֹפּוֹס, לְבַד מִנִּמְצֵאת שָׂדֶה שֶׁאֵינָהּ שֶׁלּוֹ, דְּאַחְזוֹקֵי סָהֲדֵי בְּשַׁקָּרֵי לָא מַחְזְקִינַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ashi says: Therefore, we do not attend** to the property of minor orphans in order to repay a standard loan, **as Rava says: The *halakha*** is that the court **does not attend** to their property. **And if we attend** to their property, e.g., in a case where the father told his children to repay the debt, **we install a steward** to act on behalf of the orphans, **as** the Sages **of Neharde’a say: In all of** the cases, the court **attends** to the property of minor orphans **and installs a steward, except for** a situation **where a field is found** in their possession **that is not** the father’s, **as we do not presume** that **witnesses are liars.**