## Avodah Zarah Daf 33b

###### Avodah Zarah 33b:1
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לְכַתְּחִלָּה אוֹ דִיעֲבַד? תָּא שְׁמַע, דְּתָנֵי רַב זְבִיד בַּר אוֹשַׁעְיָא: הַלּוֹקֵחַ קַנְקַנִּים מִן הַגּוֹיִם — חֲדָשִׁים נוֹתֵן לְתוֹכָן יַיִן, יְשָׁנִים — נוֹתֵן לְתוֹכָן צִיר וּמוּרְיָיס לְכַתְּחִלָּה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Is it permitted to put brine or fish stew in the wineskins ***ab initio*, or** is the substance permitted only **after the fact?** The Gemara suggests: **Come** and **hear** a resolution to the dilemma, **as Rav Zevid bar Oshaya teaches:** With regard to **one who purchases jugs from gentiles,** if they are **new, he may place wine in them,** and if they are **old, he may place brine and fish stew in them *ab initio*.**


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:2
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בְּעָא מִינֵּיהּ רַבִּי יְהוּדָה נְשִׂיאָה מֵרַבִּי אַמֵּי: הֶחְזִירָן לְכִבְשַׁן הָאֵשׁ וְנִתְלַבְּנוּ, מַהוּ? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: צִיר שׂוֹרֵף, אוּר לֹא כׇּל שֶׁכֵּן?! אִתְּמַר נָמֵי: אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן, וְאָמְרִי לַהּ אָמַר רַבִּי אַסִּי אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: קַנְקַנִּים שֶׁל גּוֹיִם שֶׁהֶחְזִירָן לְכִבְשַׁן הָאֵשׁ, כֵּיוָן שֶׁנָּשְׁרָה זִיפְתָּן מֵהֶן — מוּתָּרִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara discusses the effect of fire on prohibited vessels. **Rabbi Yehuda Nesia raised a dilemma before Rabbi Ami:** If **one returned** prohibited containers **to the furnace and they whitened** due to its heat, **what is** the *halakha*? Is the fire assumed to expunge the absorbed wine or not? Rabbi Ami **said to him:** If **brine burns** away the wine, **all the more so** is it **not** clear that **fire** does as well? **It was also stated** that **Rabbi Yoḥanan says, and some say Rabbi Asi says** that **Rabbi Yoḥanan says:** With regard to **jugs belonging to gentiles that one returned to the furnace, once their tar has disintegrated they are permitted.**


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:3
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אָמַר רַב אָשֵׁי: לָא תֵּימָא עַד דְּנָתְרָן, אֶלָּא אֲפִילּוּ רְפַאי מִירְפָא, אַף עַל גַּב דְּלָא נְתַר. קִינְסָא — פְּלִיגִי בַּהּ רַב אַחָא וְרָבִינָא, חַד אָסַר וְחַד שָׁרֵי, וְהִלְכְתָא כְּמַאן דְּאָסַר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ashi said: Do not say** that the jugs must stay in the furnace **until** the tar **falls** apart entirely; **rather, even** if it only **softens,** the jug is permitted, **despite** the fact **that** the tar **did not fall** off. The Gemara adds: With regard to a situation in which the tar was removed by dropping ignited **splinters of wood [*kinsa*]** into the jug, **Rav Aḥa and Ravina disagree: One deemed** the jug **prohibited, and one deemed** it **permitted.** The Gemara adds: **And the *halakha*** is **in accordance with** the opinion of **the one who deemed** it **prohibited.**


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:4
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אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ: מַהוּ לִיתֵּן לְתוֹכוֹ שֵׁכָר? רַב נַחְמָן וְרַב יְהוּדָה אָסְרִי, וְרָבָא שָׁרֵי. רָבִינָא שְׁרָא לֵיהּ לְרַב חִיָּיא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יִצְחָק לְמִירְמָא בֵּיהּ שִׁכְרָא, אֲזַל רְמָא בֵּיהּ חַמְרָא, וַאֲפִילּוּ הָכִי לָא חַשׁ לַהּ לְמִילְּתָא, אֲמַר: אַקְרַאי בְּעָלְמָא הוּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara discusses the *halakha* with regard to beer kept in a prohibited vessel. **A dilemma was raised before** the Sages: **What is** the *halakha* with regard **to putting beer in it? Rav Naḥman and Rav Yehuda prohibited** this, **and Rava permitted** it. The Gemara notes that **Ravina permitted Rav Ḥiyya, son of Rav Yitzḥak, to pour beer into** such a jug, but **he went** and **poured wine into it** instead. **And even so,** Ravina **was not concerned over the matter,** as **he said** to himself: **It is merely an incidental** occurrence. The fact that Rav Ḥiyya mistakenly poured wine into the jug instead of beer is not a reason to prohibit filling it with beer in general.


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:5
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רַב יִצְחָק בַּר בִּיסְנָא הֲוָה לֵיהּ הָנְהוּ מָאנֵי דְּפָקוּסְנָא, מַלִּינְהוּ מַיָּא, אַנְּחִינְהוּ בְּשִׁימְשָׁא, פְּקַעוּ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַבִּי אַבָּא: אֲסַרְתִּינְהוּ עֲלָךְ אִיסּוּרָא דִּלְעָלַם. אֵימוֹר דַּאֲמוּר רַבָּנַן מְמַלִּינְהוּ מַיָּא, אַנּוֹחֵי בְּשִׁימְשָׁא מִי אֲמוּר?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara discusses different vessels and the *halakhot* that pertain to them. **Rav Yitzḥak bar Bisna had certain vessels** made **of** cow **dung [*defakosna*]** that had contained wine of gentiles, **which he filled** with **water** and **placed in the sun** in order to rid them of the forbidden substance they had absorbed. As a result, **they burst. Rabbi Abba** then **said to him** in jest: **You have rendered them prohibited to you forever,** i.e., you have destroyed them completely. You **may say that the Sages said** that one should **fill** the containers with **water,** but **did** anyone **say** that you should **place them in the sun?**


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:6
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אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹסְנָא אָמַר רַבִּי אַמֵּי: כְּלֵי נֶתֶר אֵין (לוֹ) [לָהֶן] טׇהֳרָה עוֹלָמִית. מַאי כְּלֵי נֶתֶר? אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר אָבִין: כְּלֵי מַחְפּוֹרֶת שֶׁל צְרִיף.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Yusna says** that **Rabbi Ami says: A natron vessel has no ritual purification,** i.e., it cannot be rendered suitable for use, **ever.** The reason is that this material is highly absorbent. The Gemara asks: **What is a natron vessel? Rabbi Yosei bar Avin says:** It is **a vessel** crafted from **the excavation of alum** powder.


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:7
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דְּבֵי פַּרְזַק רוּפִילָא אֲנַס הָנֵי כּוּבֵי מִפּוּמְבְּדִיתָא, רְמָא בְּהוּ חַמְרָא, אַהְדְּרִינְהוּ נִיהֲלַיְיהוּ. אֲתוֹ שַׁיְילוּהּ לְרַב יְהוּדָה, אָמַר: דָּבָר שֶׁאֵין מַכְנִיסוֹ לְקִיּוּם הוּא, מְשַׁכְשְׁכָן בְּמַיִם וְהֵן מוּתָּרִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara relates that an individual named **Parzak, from the house of the vizier [*rofila*], seized certain vessels from** Jews of **Pumbedita, placed wine** of gentiles **in them,** and later **returned** the containers **to them. They went** and **asked Rav Yehuda** for a halakhic ruling on this matter. Rav Yehuda **said:** This vessel **is an item that is not brought into** storage for **preservation.** Accordingly, one may simply **scrub** such vessels **in water, and they are permitted.**


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:8
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אָמַר רַב עַוִּירָא: הָנֵי חַצְבֵי שְׁחִימֵי דַּאֲרַמָּאֵי, כֵּיוָן דְּלָא בָּלְעִי טוּבָא — מְשַׁכְשְׁכָן בְּמַיִם וּמוּתָּרִין. אָמַר רַב פַּפִּי: הָנֵי פַּתְוָותָא דְּבֵי מִיכְסֵי, כֵּיוָן דְּלָא בָּלְעִי טוּבָא — מְשַׁכְשְׁכָן בְּמַיִם וּמוּתָּרִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Avira said:** With regard to **these dark brown Aramean jugs, since they do not absorb** substances **well,** one need only **scrub them in water and they are permitted. Rav Pappi** likewise **said:** With regard to **these earthenware vessels from Bei Mikhsei, since they do not absorb** substances **well,** one need only **scrub them in water, and they are permitted.**


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:9
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כָּסֵי — רַב אַסִּי אָסַר, וְרַב אָשֵׁי שְׁרֵי. אִי שָׁתֵי בְּהוּ גּוֹי פַּעַם רִאשׁוֹן — כּוּלֵּי עָלְמָא לָא פְּלִיגִי דַּאֲסִיר, כִּי פְּלִיגִי בְּפַעַם שֵׁנִי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara continues: The *halakha* with regard to **cups,** which hold wine only temporarily, is subject to a dispute: **Rav Asi prohibited** them, **and Rav Ashi permitted** them. The Gemara comments: **If a gentile drank from** a cup for the **first time,** i.e., it had never been used before, **everyone agrees that it is prohibited,** as a new cup absorbs a great deal of wine in its first usage. **They disagree when** it is being used **for a second time,** i.e., the cup has already absorbed a permitted liquid, and therefore its capacity to absorb the gentile’s wine is impaired.


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:10
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אִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי: פַּעַם רִאשׁוֹן וְשֵׁנִי — כּוּלֵּי עָלְמָא לָא פְּלִיגִי דַּאֲסִיר, כִּי פְּלִיגִי בְּפַעַם שְׁלִישִׁי. וְהִלְכְתָא: פַּעַם רִאשׁוֹן וְשֵׁנִי — אָסוּר, שְׁלִישִׁי — מוּתָּר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
And **there are** those **who say:** If the cup is used for the **first or** the **second time** by a gentile, **everyone agrees that** it is **prohibited. They disagree when** it is being used **for** the **third time. And the *halakha*** is that a cup used for the **first or** the **second time** by a gentile is rendered **prohibited,** but with regard to the **third** time, it is **permitted.**


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:11
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אָמַר רַב זְבִיד: הַאי מָאנֵי דְקוּנְיָא, חִיוָּרָא וְאוּכָּמָא — שְׁרֵי, יְרוֹקָא — אֲסִיר, מִשּׁוּם דְּמִיצְּרִיף. וְאִי אִית בְּהוּ קַרְטוּפָנֵי — כּוּלְּהוּ אֲסִירִי. דָּרֵשׁ מָרִימָר: קוּנְיָא, בֵּין אוּכָּמָא בֵּין חִיוָּרָא בֵּין יְרוֹקָא — שְׁרֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Zevid said:** With regard to **these glazed earthenware vessels, white and black** ones **are permitted. Green** ones **are prohibited, because** they contain **alum,** which absorbs liquids well. **And if** any of these vessels **have cracks in them, they are all prohibited. Mareimar taught: Glazed earthenware [*kunya*]** is **permitted, whether it is black or white or green,** because the coating impairs the capacity of the container to absorb liquids.


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:12
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מַאי שְׁנָא מֵחָמֵץ בַּפֶּסַח, דִּבְעוֹ מִינֵּיהּ מִמָּרִימָר: הָנֵי מָאנֵי דְקוּנְיָא, מַהוּ לְאִשְׁתַּמּוֹשֵׁי בְּהוּ בְּפִיסְחָא? יְרוּקֵּי לָא תִּיבְּעֵי לָךְ, דְּמִצָּרְפִי וּבָלְעִי וַאֲסִירִי. כִּי תִּיבְּעֵי לָךְ — חִיוָּרֵי וְאוּכָּמֵי מַאי?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: In **what** way **is** this case **different from** the case of **leavened bread on Passover,** which is also absorbed? The Gemara explains its question: **As they** once **asked Mareimar:** With regard to **these glazed earthenware vessels, what is** the *halakha* concerning **using them on Passover?** The Gemara interjects: With regard to **green** earthenware, **do not raise the dilemma, as** it contains **alum and** as a result **absorbs** leaven well, **and** it is therefore **prohibited.** Rather, **let the dilemma be raised** with regard to **white and black** earthenware. **What** is the *halakha*?


###### Avodah Zarah 33b:13
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כִּי אִית בְּהוּ קַרְטוּפָנֵי, לָא תִּיבְּעֵי לָךְ, דְּוַדַּאי בָּלְעִי וַאֲסִירִי. כִּי תִּיבְּעֵי לָךְ — דְּשִׁיעִי מַאי? אֲמַר

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara qualifies the question further: **Where they have cracks in them, do not raise the dilemma, as they certainly absorb** that which was placed in them **and are** therefore **prohibited.** Rather, **let the dilemma be raised where they are** perfectly **smooth: What** is the *halakha* in such a case? Mareimar **said**