## Avodah Zarah Daf 59a

###### Avodah Zarah 59a:1
[Avodah Zarah 59a:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Avodah%20Zarah/r/59a:1)

דְּאָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן מִשּׁוּם רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יְהוֹצָדָק: מַיִם שֶׁל רַבִּים אֵין נֶאֱסָרִין. הָא דְּיָחִיד נֶאֱסָרִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**as Rabbi Yoḥanan says in the name of Rabbi Shimon ben Yehotzadak: Water that belongs to** the **public** is **not rendered prohibited.** The Gemara infers that since water that belongs to the public is permitted, **therefore,** in a case where gentiles bow to water that is owned **by an individual** it is **rendered prohibited.**


###### Avodah Zarah 59a:2
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וְתִיפּוֹק לֵיהּ, דְּהָא מְחוּבָּרִין נִינְהוּ! לָא צְרִיכָא, דְּתַלְשִׁינְהוּ גַּלָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara challenges: **But** Rabbi Yoḥanan could **derive** that even water owned by an individual is permitted, **as** the water **is connected** to the ground, and worshipping an object that is connected to the ground does not render it prohibited. The Gemara explains: **No,** it is **necessary** to derive this *halakha* from the fact that the water belongs to the public in a case **where a wave** raised the water and **detached it** from the ground. In this case worshipping water owned by an individual would render it prohibited.


###### Avodah Zarah 59a:3
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סוֹף סוֹף, אַבְנֵי הַר שֶׁנִּדַּלְדְּלוּ נִינְהוּ, תִּסְתַּיֵּים דְּרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן דְּאָמַר אֲסוּרוֹת?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara challenges: Nevertheless, the water **ultimately** falls into the category of objects that were detached without human involvement, such as **boulders of a mountain that dislodged** on their own. The Gemara (46a) cites a dispute between Rabbi Yoḥanan and the sons of Rabbi Ḥiyya with regard to boulders that dislodged without human involvement and were then worshipped, and does not conclude who deems the boulders permitted and who deems them prohibited. **May it be concluded** from Rabbi Yoḥanan’s statement **that** it is **Rabbi Yoḥanan who says** that the boulders **are prohibited?**


###### Avodah Zarah 59a:4
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לָא צְרִיכָא, דְּטַפְחִינְהוּ בִּידֵיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara replies: **No,** even if Rabbi Yoḥanan deems the boulders permitted, his ruling with regard to the water is **necessary** in a case **where** one **struck** the water **with his hand** and thereby detached it. Since it was detached due to human involvement, if the water was owned by an individual it is prohibited.


###### Avodah Zarah 59a:5
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רַבִּי חִיָּיא בַּר אַבָּא אִיקְּלַע לְגַבְלָא, חֲזָא בְּנוֹת יִשְׂרָאֵל דְּמִיעַבְּרָן מִגּוֹיִם שֶׁמָּלוּ וְלֹא טָבְלוּ, חֲזָא חַמְרָא דִּמְזַגוּ גּוֹיִם וְשָׁתוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל, חֲזָא תּוֹרְמוֹסָא דְּשָׁלְקִי לְהוּ גּוֹיִם וְאָכְלִי יִשְׂרָאֵל, וְלָא אֲמַר לְהוּ וְלָא מִידֵּי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Abba happened** to come **to Gavla. He saw Jewish women** there **who were impregnated by gentiles who** were in the process of converting and **were circumcised but had not** yet **immersed** in a ritual bath. **He** also **saw wine that gentiles diluted** with water **and Jews** then **drank** the wine. **He** also **saw lupines that gentiles were cooking and Jews were eating. And** despite seeing all this, **he did not say anything to them** to correct their actions.


###### Avodah Zarah 59a:6
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אֲתָא לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן, אֲמַר לֵיהּ: צֵא וְהַכְרֵז עַל בְּנֵיהֶם שֶׁהֵן מַמְזֵרִים, וְעַל יֵינָן מִשּׁוּם יֵין נֶסֶךְ, וְעַל תּוֹרְמוֹסָן מִשּׁוּם בִּישּׁוּלֵי גוֹיִם, מִשּׁוּם שֶׁאֵינָן בְּנֵי תוֹרָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Later, **he came before Rabbi Yoḥanan** and told him what he had seen. Rabbi Yoḥanan **said to him: Go and declare about their children that they** have the status of **children born from an incestuous or adulterous relationship [*mamzerim*]. And** decree **with regard to their wine** that it is prohibited **as** an extension of the prohibition of **wine** used for **a libation. And with regard to their lupines** you should declare that they are forbidden **due to** the prohibition of **food cooked by gentiles, as they are not people** well-versed in **Torah,** and any leniency would be misunderstood and applied too extensively.


###### Avodah Zarah 59a:7
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עַל בְּנֵיהֶם שֶׁהֵם מַמְזֵרִים — רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן לְטַעְמֵיהּ, דְּאָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: לְעוֹלָם אֵינוֹ גֵּר עַד שֶׁיָּמוּל וְיִטְבּוֹל, וְכֵיוָן דְּלָא טְבֵיל — גּוֹי הוּא. וְאָמַר רַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: גּוֹי וְעֶבֶד הַבָּא עַל בַּת יִשְׂרָאֵל — הַוָּלָד מַמְזֵר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara explains that with regard to declaring **about their children that they** have the status of ***mamzerim*, Rabbi Yoḥanan** conforms **to his** standard line of **reasoning** concerning two *halakhot*. The first is **as Rabbi Yoḥanan says:** One **is never** deemed to be **a convert until he has been circumcised and has immersed. And since** the father **has not immersed, he is** still considered **a gentile. And** the second *halakha* is as **Rabba bar bar Ḥana says** that **Rabbi Yoḥanan says:** In the case of **a gentile or** a Canaanite **slave who engaged in intercourse with a Jewish woman, the offspring is a *mamzer*.**


###### Avodah Zarah 59a:8
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וּגְזוּר עַל יֵינָם מִשּׁוּם יֵין נֶסֶךְ — מִשּׁוּם ״לָךְ לָךְ, אָמְרִין נְזִירָא; סְחוֹר סְחוֹר, לְכַרְמָא לָא תִּקְרַב״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara continues to explain Rabbi Yoḥanan’s second instruction to Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Abba: **And decree with regard to their wine** that it is prohibited **as** an extension of the prohibition of **wine** used for **a libation.** Although the gentile did not touch the wine when he diluted it, it is prohibited **due to** the maxim: **Go, go, we say** to **a nazirite; go around** and **go around,** but **do not come near to the vineyard.**


###### Avodah Zarah 59a:9
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וְעַל תּוֹרְמוֹסָן מִשּׁוּם בִּישּׁוּלֵי גוֹיִם — לְפִי שֶׁאֵינָן בְּנֵי תוֹרָה. טַעְמָא דְּאֵינָן בְּנֵי תוֹרָה, הָא בְּנֵי תוֹרָה שְׁרֵי? וְהָאָמַר רַב שְׁמוּאֵל בַּר רַב יִצְחָק אָמַר רַב: כֹּל שֶׁנֶּאֱכָל כְּמוֹת שֶׁהוּא חַי אֵין בּוֹ מִשּׁוּם בִּישּׁוּלֵי גוֹיִם!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Lastly, Rabbi Yoḥanan instructed Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Abba to decree **with regard to their lupines** that they are forbidden **due to** the prohibition of **food cooked by gentiles, as they are not people** well-versed in **Torah.** The Gemara asks: **The reason** that the lupines are deemed prohibited is **because they are not people** well-versed in **Torah; but** in the case of **people** who are well-versed in **Torah,** one can infer that the lupines **are permitted. But doesn’t Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzḥak say** that **Rav says: Anything that is eaten raw is not subject to** the prohibition of **food cooked by gentiles,** even when cooked by them? Lupines are not eaten raw due to their bitterness, and therefore they are subject to the prohibition of food cooked by gentiles.


###### Avodah Zarah 59a:10
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רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן כִּי הָךְ לִישָּׁנָא סְבִירָא לֵיהּ, דְּאָמַר רַב שְׁמוּאֵל בַּר רַב יִצְחָק אָמַר רַב: כֹּל שֶׁאֵינוֹ עוֹלֶה לְשׁוּלְחָן שֶׁל מְלָכִים לְלֶפֶת בּוֹ אֶת הַפַּת — אֵין בּוֹ מִשּׁוּם בִּישּׁוּלֵי גוֹיִם. טַעְמָא דְּאֵינָן בְּנֵי תוֹרָה, הָא בְּנֵי תוֹרָה שְׁרֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara answers: **Rabbi Yoḥanan holds in accordance with that** other **version** of Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzḥak’s statement, **as Rav Shmuel bar Rav Yitzḥak says** that **Rav says: Anything that** lacks importance and therefore **does not appear on the table of kings** in order **to be eaten together with bread is not subject to** the prohibition of **food cooked by gentiles.** Lupines are not sufficiently important to be served on the table of kings, and therefore they are permitted even if cooked by gentiles. Consequently, **the reason** for prohibiting the residents of Gavla from eating them is **because they are not people** well-versed in **Torah. But** in the case of **people** well-versed in **Torah,** the lupines **are permitted.**


###### Avodah Zarah 59a:11
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בְּעוֹ מִינֵּיהּ מֵרַב כָּהֲנָא: גּוֹי מַהוּ שֶׁיּוֹלִיךְ עֲנָבִים לַגַּת? אֲמַר לְהוּ: אָסוּר, מִשּׁוּם ״לָךְ לָךְ, אָמְרִין נְזִירָא; סְחוֹר סְחוֹר, לְכַרְמָא לָא תִּקְרַב״. אֵיתִיבֵיהּ רַב יֵימַר לְרַב כָּהֲנָא: גּוֹי שֶׁהֵבִיא עֲנָבִים לַגַּת בְּסַלִּין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Sages **asked Rav Kahana:** With regard to **a gentile, what is** the *halakha* concerning the following question: **May he bring grapes to the winepress** without doing anything else to them? Rav Kahana **said to them:** It is **prohibited** by rabbinic decree **due to** the maxim: **Go, go, we say** to **a nazirite; go around** and **go around,** but **do not come near to the vineyard. Rav Yeimar raised an objection to Rav Kahana** from a *baraita*: With regard to **a gentile who brought grapes to the winepress in baskets**