## Avodah Zarah Daf 69b

###### Avodah Zarah 69b:1
[Avodah Zarah 69b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Avodah%20Zarah/r/69b:1)

בְּבָא לָהֶם דֶּרֶךְ עֲקַלָּתוֹן. אִי הָכִי, סֵיפָא נָמֵי? כֵּיוָן דְּאָמַר לָהֶם ״לְכוּ וַאֲנִי בָּא אַחֲרֵיכֶם״, סָמְכָא דַּעְתַּיְיהוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
It is a case **where he came to them in a roundabout way,** such that they would not know from where he might appear, and they would be afraid to tamper with the goods because he might catch them in the act. The Gemara objects: **If that is so,** this can apply to **the latter clause also.** The Gemara answers: In the case of the latter clause, **since he said to them: Go and I will come after you, their minds are at ease** that he will not surprise them.


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:2
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הַמַּנִּיחַ נׇכְרִי בַּחֲנוּתוֹ כּוּ׳. הַמַּנִּיחַ יֵינוֹ בְּקָרוֹן אוֹ בִּסְפִינָה כּוּ׳. וּצְרִיכָא, דְּאִי תְּנָא נׇכְרִי — דְּסָבַר: דִּלְמָא אָתֵי וְחָזֵי לֵיהּ, אֲבָל בְּקָרוֹן אוֹ בִּסְפִינָה — אֵימָא דְּמַפְלֵיג לַהּ לִסְפִינְתֵּיהּ וְעָבֵיד מַאי דְּבָעֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The mishna teaches similar cases, including the case of **one who left a gentile in his shop,** and the case of **one who placed his wine in a wagon or on a ship.** The Gemara explains: **And it is necessary** for the mishna to cite all these cases, even though they appear similar, **as, had** the mishna **taught** only the case of the **gentile** transporting a Jew’s barrels, one might assume that the reason there is no concern that the gentile used the wine in that case is **because he thinks** that **perhaps** the owner **will come and see him. But in a wagon or on a ship,** one might **say that he can take his ship far off and do what he desires** in such a way that the owner cannot see him.


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:3
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וְאִי תְּנָא בְּקָרוֹן אוֹ בִּסְפִינָה, מִשּׁוּם דְּסָבַר: דִּלְמָא אָתֵי בְּאוֹרְחָא אַחֲרִיתִי וְקָאֵי אַגּוּדָּא וְחָזֵי לִי, אֲבָל נׇכְרִי בַּחֲנוּתוֹ אֵימָא: אָחֵיד לֵהּ לְבָבָא וְעָבֵיד כֹּל דְּבָעֵי, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And had** the mishna **taught** only the case where the Jew placed his wine **in a wagon or on a ship,** one might assume that the concern there is **because** the gentile **thinks: Perhaps he will come on a different road or stand on the bank** of the river **and see me. But** in the case of **a gentile in his shop,** one might **say** that **he can hold the door** closed **and do whatever he desires** with no concern of being seen. Therefore, the mishna **teaches us** that in all of these cases the same ruling applies, and there is no concern unless the Jew informed the gentile that he is going a great distance away.


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:4
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אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: מַחְלוֹקֶת בְּשֶׁל סִיד, אֲבָל בְּשֶׁל טִיט — דִּבְרֵי הַכֹּל כְּדֵי שֶׁיִּפְתַּח וְיִגּוֹף וְיִגּוֹב.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ There is a dispute in the mishna with regard to the length of time that causes the wine to be rendered forbidden if the owner notified the gentile that he is going off some distance. **Rabba bar bar Ḥana says** that **Rabbi Yoḥanan says:** The **dispute** is only **with regard to** the case of a stopper made **of lime plaster,** in which a hole can be sealed without being detected; **but with regard to** the case of a stopper made **of clay,** in which a patch would be detected, **everyone agrees** that the wine is forbidden only if there was **enough time for** the gentile **to open** the barrel by removing the stopper entirely, **stop** it again with a new stopper, **and** for the new stopper to **dry.**


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:5
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מֵיתִיבִי: אָמַר רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל לַחֲכָמִים: וַהֲלֹא סִתּוּמוֹ נִיכָּר בֵּין מִלְּמַעְלָה וּבֵין מִלְּמַטָּה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara **raises an objection** to this explanation of the dispute from a *baraita*: **Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel said to the Rabbis: But isn’t the sealing of** the hole **noticeable both from above and from below,** and therefore the gentile will be wary of doing so?


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:6
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אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא בְּשֶׁל טִיט מַחְלוֹקֶת, הַיְינוּ דְּקָתָנֵי: סִתּוּמוֹ נִיכָּר בֵּין מִלְּמַעְלָה וּבֵין מִלְּמַטָּה, אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ בְּשֶׁל סִיד מַחְלוֹקֶת, בִּשְׁלָמָא לְמַטָּה יְדִיעַ, אֶלָּא לְמַעְלָה הָא לָא יְדִיעַ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara explains the objection: **Granted, if you say** that the **dispute** is also **with regard to** a stopper made **of clay, this** explanation is consistent with **that which** the *baraita* **teaches** as to the response of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel: **Its sealing is noticeable both from above and from below. But if you say** that the **dispute is with regard to** a stopper made **of lime plaster, granted,** the location of the sealing **is noticeable from below,** as it is impossible to fill the entire hole with lime plaster, and an empty space remains below it; **but** the resealing **is not noticeable from above.**


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:7
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רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל הוּא דְּלָא יָדַע מַאי קָאָמְרִי רַבָּנַן, וְהָכִי קָאָמַר לְהוּ: אִי בְּשֶׁל טִיט קָאָמְרִיתוּ — סִתּוּמוֹ נִיכָּר בֵּין מִלְּמַעְלָה וּבֵין מִלְּמַטָּה, וְאִי בְּשֶׁל סִיד קָאָמְרִיתוּ — נְהִי דִּלְמַעְלָה לָא יְדִיעַ, לְמַטָּה מִיהָא יְדִיעַ. וְרַבָּנַן, כֵּיוָן דְּמִלְּמַעְלָה לָא יְדִיעַ, לָא מַסִּיק אַדַּעְתֵּיהּ דְּאָפֵיךְ וַחֲזֵי לֵיהּ. אִי נָמֵי, זִימְנִין דְּחָלֵים.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara answers: **It was Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel who did not know what the Rabbis were saying, and this** is what **he is saying to them: If you are speaking of** a stopper made **of clay, its sealing is noticeable both from above and from below. And if you are speaking of** a stopper made **of lime plaster, granted, it is not noticeable from above,** but **it is noticeable, in any event, from below. And** how would **the Rabbis** respond to this claim? They maintain that **since it is not noticeable from above** that there is a patch, **it does not occur to** the gentile **that** the owner **will turn** the stopper **over and see** the patch. **Alternatively,** the Rabbis could answer that **sometimes it seals firmly** and is not detectable.


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:8
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אָמַר רָבָא: הֲלָכָה כְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל, הוֹאִיל וּתְנַן סְתָמָא כְּוָותֵיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rava says:** The ***halakha*** is **in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, since we learned an unattributed** mishna **in accordance with his** opinion.


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:9
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דִּתְנַן: הָיָה אוֹכֵל עַל הַשּׁוּלְחָן עִמּוֹ, וְהִנִּיחַ לָגִין עַל הַשּׁוּלְחָן, לָגִין עַל הַדּוּלְבְּקִי וְהִנִּיחַ וְיָצָא — מָה שֶׁעַל הַשּׁוּלְחָן אָסוּר, מָה שֶׁעַל הַדּוּלְבְּקִי מוּתָּר, וְאִם אָמַר לוֹ: הֱוֵי מוֹזֵג וְשׁוֹתֶה — אַף שֶׁעַל הַדּוּלְבְּקִי אָסוּר. חָבִיּוֹת פְּתוּחוֹת אֲסוּרוֹת, סְתוּמוֹת מוּתָּרוֹת, כְּדֵי שֶׁיִּפְתַּח וְיִגּוֹף וְתִיגּוֹב.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
This is **as we learned** in the last clause of the mishna: If a Jew **was eating with** a gentile **at the table, and left jugs** of wine **on the table and a jug on the side table, and he left it and went out, what is on the table** is **forbidden,** as it is likely that the gentile handled it, whereas **what is on the side table** is **permitted. But if** the Jew **said to** the gentile: **Mix** water with the wine **and drink, even** the jug **that is on the side table** is **forbidden.** Similarly, **open barrels are forbidden,** but **sealed** barrels **are permitted** unless the Jew was out of the room for **sufficient time for** the gentile **to open** the barrel by removing the stopper, **stop** it again by making a new stopper, **and** for the new stopper to **dry.**


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:10
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פְּשִׁיטָא! מַהוּ דְּתֵימָא: כּוּלָּהּ רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל קָתָנֵי לַהּ? קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: Isn’t it **obvious?** This ruling is stated explicitly in the mishna. The Gemara answers: **Lest you say** that **Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel teaches the entire** clause, and this is the continuation of his previous statement and not an unattributed statement of the mishna, Rava **teaches us** that this is not so.


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:11
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וְכִי מֵאַחַר דְּקַיְימָא לַן כְּוָותֵיהּ דְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל דְּלָא חָיֵישׁ לְשִׁתּוּמָא, וְהִלְכְתָא כְּוָותֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר דְּלָא חָיֵישׁ לְזִיּוּפָא, הָאִידָּנָא מַאי טַעְמָא לָא מוֹתְבִינַן חַמְרָא בְּיַד גּוֹיִם? מִשּׁוּם שַׁיְיכָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **And since we maintain** that the *halakha* is **in accordance with** the opinion **of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel, who is not concerned about a bored hole** in the barrel, **and** even though there is a concern that the gentile may have opened and replaced the stopper **the *halakha*** is **in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Eliezer, who is not concerned with forgery** of the seal, because excessive effort is required to forge a seal (see 31a), therefore, **nowadays, what is the reason we do not place wine** in sealed barrels **in the possession of gentiles?** The Gemara answers: It is **because of the bunghole,** the hole in a barrel through which one smells the wine, which the gentile might widen a bit to drink from it.


###### Avodah Zarah 69b:12
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אָמַר רָבָא: זוֹנָה גּוֹיָה, וְיִשְׂרָאֵל מְסוּבִּין אֶצְלָהּ — חַמְרָא שְׁרֵי, נְהִי דְּתָקֵיף לְהוּ יִצְרָא דַעֲבֵירָה,

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rava says:** In the case of **a gentile prostitute,** where **Jews** are **dining at her** table, **the wine** at the table is **permitted. Granted, their passion for the sin** of harlotry **overwhelms their** judgment,