## Bava Batra Daf 13b

###### Bava Batra 13b:1
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״קַח לְךָ עֲבָדִים וְיִרְחֲצוּ בַּמֶּרְחָץ״, ״קַח לְךָ זֵיתִים, וּבֹא וַעֲשֵׂה בְּבֵית הַבַּד״! הָתָם נָמֵי, ״גּוּד״ אִיכָּא, ״אֶגּוּד״ לֵיכָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Go **take servants for yourself, and they will bathe in the bathhouse.** Or he can say: Go **take olives for yourself and come and transform** them into oil **in the olive press.** Evidently, the poor brother cannot say to him: Buy my share. The Gemara rejects this proof: **There too** the poor brother can say: **You set** a price and buy my share, as the rich brother has the means to buy his poor brother’s portion; but he is **not** able to say: Or else **I will set** a price and buy your share, as the poor brother does not have the money to buy his brother out.


###### Bava Batra 13b:2
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תָּא שְׁמַע: כׇּל שֶׁאִילּוּ יֵחָלֵק וּשְׁמוֹ עָלָיו – חוֹלְקִין, אִם לָאו – מַעֲלִין אוֹתוֹ בְּדָמִים! תַּנָּאֵי הִיא – דְּתַנְיָא: ״טוֹל אַתָּה שִׁיעוּר, וַאֲנִי פָּחוֹת״ – שׁוֹמְעִין לוֹ. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: אֵין שׁוֹמְעִין לוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara further proposes: **Come** and **hear** a proof from what is taught in a *baraita*: **Anything which,** even after it **is divided,** each of the parts **retains the name** of the original item, **may be divided.** And **if** the parts will **not** retain the original name, the item should not be divided, but rather **its monetary** value **is assessed,** because one of the joint owners can say to the other: Either you set a price and buy it from me, or I will set a price and buy it from you. The Gemara explains: Actually, this matter **is** a dispute between ***tanna’im*, as it is taught** in a *baraita*: If a courtyard or the like was not large enough to warrant division into two, and one of the co-owners said to the other: **You take** a minimum **measure** of the courtyard, e.g., four cubits, **and I** will take **less,** the court **listens to him. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: They do not listen to him.**


###### Bava Batra 13b:3
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הֵיכִי דָמֵי? אִילֵּימָא כִּדְתָנֵי – מַאי טַעְמָא דְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל? אֶלָּא לָאו חַסּוֹרֵי מְחַסְּרָא, וְהָכִי קָאָמַר: ״טוֹל אַתָּה שִׁיעוּר וַאֲנִי פָּחוֹת״ – שׁוֹמְעִין לוֹ. וְ״גוּד אוֹ אֶגּוּד״ – נָמֵי שׁוֹמְעִין לוֹ. וַאֲתָא רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל לְמֵימַר: אֵין שׁוֹמְעִין לוֹ?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara clarifies the *baraita*: **What are the circumstances** of the case under discussion? **If we say it is** exactly **as it is taught, what is Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel’s reasoning?** Why does he rule that the court ignores the party who is prepared to settle for less? **Rather, is it not that** the *baraita* **is incomplete and this** is what it **is saying:** If one of the co-owners said to the other: **You take** a minimum **measure** of the courtyard, **and I** will take **less,** all agree that the court **listens to him.** And the *tanna* of the *baraita* adds: **And** if one says: Either **you set** a price and buy it from me, **or I will set** a price and buy it from you, **they also listen to him. And Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel comes to say:** In the first case the court does listen to him, but **they do not listen to him** when he says: Either you set a price or I will set a price. Accordingly, this issue is the subject of a tannaitic dispute.


###### Bava Batra 13b:4
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לָא, לְעוֹלָם כִּדְקָתָנֵי; וּדְקָאָמְרַתְּ: מַאי טַעְמָא דְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל? מִשּׁוּם דְּאָמַר לֵיהּ: אִי בִּדְמֵי – לֵית לִי דְּמֵי לְמִיתַּן לָךְ; בְּמַתָּנָה – לָא נִיחָא לִי, דִּכְתִיב: ״וְשׂוֹנֵא מַתָּנֹת יִחְיֶה״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this interpretation of the *baraita*: **No,** the *baraita* should **actually** be understood exactly **as it is taught. And with regard to what you said: What is Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel’s reasoning?** Why can’t one of the parties say that they should divide the property and he will settle for less? It is **because** the second one **can say to him: If** you want me to compensate you with **money** for the difference between my share and your share, **I have no money to give you.** And if you wish to give it to me as **a gift, I am not at ease** with that, **as it is written: “But he who hates gifts shall live”** (Proverbs 15:27). The *baraita* indicates that there is a *halakha* of: Either you set a price or I will set a price, in accordance with the opinion of Rav Yehuda.


###### Bava Batra 13b:5
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי לְרַב יוֹסֵף: הָא דְּרַב יְהוּדָה – דִּשְׁמוּאֵל הִיא, דִּתְנַן: וְכִתְבֵי הַקּוֹדֶשׁ, אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁשְּׁנֵיהֶם רוֹצִים – לֹא יַחְלוֹקוּ. וְאָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא בְּכֶרֶךְ אֶחָד, אֲבָל בִּשְׁנֵי כְּרִיכוֹת – חוֹלְקִין. וְאִי סָלְקָא דַעְתָּךְ לֵית דִּינָא דְּ״גוּד״ אוֹ ״אֶגּוּד״, מַאי אִירְיָא בְּכֶרֶךְ אֶחָד? אֲפִילּוּ בִּשְׁנֵי כְּרִיכִין נָמֵי!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
As a continuation of this discussion, **Abaye said to Rav Yosef: That** statement **of Rav Yehuda is** actually the opinion **of Shmuel,** his teacher, **as we learned** in the mishna (11a): **But** in the case of **sacred writings,** i.e., a scroll of any of the twenty-four books of the Bible, that were inherited by two people, **they may not divide** them, **even if both of them wish** to do so, because it would be a show of disrespect to cut the scroll in half. **And Shmuel said: They taught** that sacred writings should not be divided **only** if they are contained **in one scroll; but** when they are contained **in two scrolls, they may be divided. And if it should enter your mind** to say **that there is no *halakha* of:** Either **you set** a price **or I will set** a price, **why** does the *halakha* apply **specifically to one scroll? Even** if the sacred writings were contained **in two scrolls,** they should **also** not divide them, since the respective parts will not be even and one of the recipients will have to compensate the other.


###### Bava Batra 13b:6
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תַּרְגְּמָא רַב שַׁלְמָן – בְּשֶׁשְּׁנֵיהֶן רוֹצִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Shalman interpreted** the mishna: It is referring to a case **where they both want** to divide the sacred writings; therefore, Shmuel said that they may do so when they are contained in two scrolls. But if just one of them wishes to divide them, there is no proof that he can compel the other one to accept the division.


###### Bava Batra 13b:7
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אָמַר אַמֵּימָר, הִלְכְתָא: אִית דִּינָא דְּ״גוּד״ אוֹ ״אֶגּוּד״. אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב אָשֵׁי לְאַמֵּימָר: הָא דְּרַב נַחְמָן, מַאי? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לָא שְׁמִיעָא לִי; כְּלוֹמַר, לָא סְבִירָא לִי. וְלָא?! וְהָא רָבִין בַּר חִינָּנָא וְרַב דִּימִי בַּר חִינָּנָא שְׁבַק לְהוּ אֲבוּהּ תַּרְתֵּי אַמְהָתָא, חֲדָא יָדְעָא אָפְיָא וּבַשּׁוֹלֵי, וַחֲדָא יָדְעָא פִּילְכָּא וְנַוְולָא; וַאֲתוֹ לְקַמֵּיהּ דְּרָבָא, וַאֲמַר לְהוּ: לֵית דִּינָא דְּ״גוּד״ אוֹ ״אֶגּוּד״!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Ameimar said: The *halakha*** is in accordance with the opinion of Rav Yehuda that **there is a *halakha* of:** Either **you set** a price **or I will set** a price. **Rav Ashi said to Ameimar: What** about **that** statement **of Rav Naḥman,** who disagrees with Rav Yehuda and says that there is no such *halakha*? Ameimar **said to him: I do not know** of it, **that is to say, I do not maintain** this opinion. The Gemara asks: **And** is the *halakha* **not** in accordance with the opinion of Rav Naḥman? **But** it happened that **the father of Ravin bar Ḥinnana and Rav Dimi bar Ḥinnana** died and **left them two maidservants, one** of whom **knew how to bake and to cook, and the other** of whom **knew how to spin and to weave.** One of the brothers suggested that each of them take one of the maidservants entirely for himself and forfeit his rights to the other maidservant. **They came before Rava and he said to them: There is no *halakha* of:** Either **you set** a price **or I will set** a price.


###### Bava Batra 13b:8
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שָׁאנֵי הָתָם – דִּלְמַר מִיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ תַּרְוַיְיהוּ, וּלְמָר מִיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ תַּרְוַיְיהוּ; כִּי קָאָמַר לֵיהּ: שְׁקוֹל אַתְּ חֲדָא וַאֲנָא חֲדָא – לָאו ״גּוּד״ אוֹ ״אֶגּוּד״ הוּא. וְכִי לָא מָצֵי לְמֵימַר הָכִי?! וְהָא כִּתְבֵי הַקֹּדֶשׁ, דְּתַרְוַיְיהוּ מִיבְּעֵי לְהוּ, וְאָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא בְּכֶרֶךְ אֶחָד, אֲבָל בִּשְׁנֵי כְּרִיכִין – חוֹלְקִין! הָא תַּרְגְּמָא רַב שַׁלְמָן בְּשֶׁרָצוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara answers: It is **different there, since this master wanted both of them and the other master wanted both of them.** Therefore, **when** one of the brothers **said to** the other: **You take one and I** will take the other **one, it is not** a case of: Either **you set** a price **or I will set** a price. The Gemara asks: **And can we not say so? But** there is the case of **sacred writings, which both of them** presumably **want, and Shmuel said: They taught** that sacred writings should not be divided **only** if they are contained **in one scroll; but** when they are contained **in two scrolls, they may be divided.** The Gemara answers: **Rav Shalman interpreted** the mishna: It is referring to a case **where they** both **want** to divide the sacred writings, and in such a case they may divide them, provided that they are in two scrolls.


###### Bava Batra 13b:9
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תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: מַדְבִּיק אָדָם תּוֹרָה נְבִיאִים וּכְתוּבִים כְּאֶחָד, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי מֵאִיר. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: תּוֹרָה בִּפְנֵי עַצְמָהּ, נְבִיאִים בִּפְנֵי עַצְמָן, וּכְתוּבִים בִּפְנֵי עַצְמָן. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: כׇּל אֶחָד וְאֶחָד בִּפְנֵי עַצְמוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara now begins a general discussion about sacred writings. **The Sages taught: A person may attach the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings together as one** scroll; this is **the statement of Rabbi Meir. Rabbi Yehuda says: The Torah** should be a scroll **by itself,** the books of the **Prophets** a scroll **by themselves, and** the books of the **Writings** a scroll **by themselves. And the Sages say: Each one** of the books of the Prophets and the Writings should be a scroll **by itself.**


###### Bava Batra 13b:10
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וְאָמַר רַבִּי יְהוּדָה: מַעֲשֶׂה בְּבַיְתוֹס בֶּן זוֹנִין, שֶׁהָיוּ לוֹ שְׁמֹנָה נְבִיאִים מְדוּבָּקִין כְּאֶחָד, עַל פִּי רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בֶּן עֲזַרְיָה. וְיֵשׁ אוֹמְרִים: לֹא הָיוּ לוֹ אֶלָּא אֶחָד אֶחָד בִּפְנֵי עַצְמוֹ. אָמַר רַבִּי: מַעֲשֶׂה וְהֵבִיאוּ לְפָנֵינוּ תּוֹרָה נְבִיאִים וּכְתוּבִים מְדוּבָּקִים כְּאֶחָד, וְהִכְשַׁרְנוּם.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And Rabbi Yehuda said:** There was **an incident involving Baitos ben Zunin, who had eight** books **of the Prophets attached together as one** scroll, and he did this **with the approval of Rabbi Elazar ben Azarya. And others say that each and every one** of the books was a scroll **by itself,** in accordance with the opinion of the Sages. **Rabbi** Yehuda HaNasi **said:** There was **an incident where they brought before us the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings attached together as one** scroll **and we** ruled in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Meir and **deemed them fit.**


###### Bava Batra 13b:11
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בֵּין חוּמָּשׁ לְחוּמָּשׁ שֶׁל תּוֹרָה – אַרְבָּעָה שִׁיטִין; וְכֵן בֵּין כׇּל נָבִיא לְנָבִיא. וּבְנָבִיא שֶׁל שְׁנֵים עָשָׂר – שָׁלֹשׁ שִׁיטִין. וּמְסַיֵּים מִלְּמַטָּה, וּמַתְחִיל מִלְּמַעְלָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara states: When different books are included in the same scroll, **four** empty **lines** of space should be left **between each book of the Torah, and similarly between one** book of **the Prophets and another. But** between each of the books of **the Twelve Prophets** only **three** empty **lines** should be left, because they are considered one book. **And** the scribe may **finish** a book **at the bottom** of one column **and begin** the next book **at the top** of the next column without leaving any empty space in between.


###### Bava Batra 13b:12
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תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: הָרוֹצֶה לְדַבֵּק תּוֹרָה נְבִיאִים וּכְתוּבִים כְּאֶחָד – מְדַבֵּק; וְעוֹשֶׂה בְּרֹאשׁוֹ כְּדֵי לָגוֹל עַמּוּד, וּבְסוֹפוֹ כְּדֵי לָגוֹל הֶיקֵּף; וּמְסַיֵּים מִלְּמַטָּה וּמַתְחִיל מִלְּמַעְלָה;

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**The Sages taught** in a *baraita*: **One who wishes to attach the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings together as one** scroll **may attach** them. **He should leave enough** empty parchment **at the beginning** of the scroll **for winding around the pole** to which the beginning of the scroll is fastened. **And at the end** of the scroll he should leave enough empty parchment **for winding around the** entire **circumference** of the rolled-up scroll. **And he may finish** a book **at the bottom** of one column **and begin** the next book **at the top** of the next column without leaving any empty space between them.