## Bava Batra Daf 145a

###### Bava Batra 145a:1
[Bava Batra 145a:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/145a:1)

״תְּנוּ לִי בַּעְלִי וְאֶשְׂמַח עִמּוֹ״. הָכָא נָמֵי, נֵימָא: ״תְּנוּ לִי שׁוֹשְׁבִינִי וְאֶשְׂמַח עִמּוֹ״!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Give me my husband and I will rejoice with him,** i.e., it is not my fault that we are not getting married, she is not required to return the betrothal money. **Here too, let him say: Give me my groomsman and I will rejoice with him.**


###### Bava Batra 145a:2
[Bava Batra 145a:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/145a:2)

אָמַר רַב יוֹסֵף: הָכָא בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן – כְּגוֹן שֶׁשָּׂמַח עִמּוֹ שִׁבְעָה יְמֵי מִשְׁתֶּה, וְלֹא הִסְפִּיק לְפוֹרְעוֹ עַד שֶׁמֵּת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Yosef said: With what are we dealing here?** Shmuel’s statement is referring to a case **where** the original recipient, in reciprocation, **rejoiced with** the brother who brought the gifts of groomsmen during the **seven days of** the wedding **feast, but did not suffice to repay him before** the brother **died.** Since it was the usual practice to send the gifts of groomsmen after the groomsman rejoiced with the betrothed man for seven days, he is obligated to reciprocate the gifts of groomsmen, and the *yavam* cannot claim them for himself.


###### Bava Batra 145a:3
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לֵימָא ״תְּנוּ לִי בַּעְלִי וְאֶשְׂמַח עִמּוֹ״ – תַּנָּאֵי הִיא? דְּתַנְיָא: הַמְאָרֵס אֶת הָאִשָּׁה; בְּתוּלָה – גּוֹבָה מָאתַיִם, וְאַלְמָנָה – מָנֶה. מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ לְהַחְזִיר קִדּוּשִׁין – מַחְזִירִין, מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ שֶׁלֹּא לְהַחְזִיר קִדּוּשִׁין – אֵין מַחְזִירִין, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי נָתָן. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה הַנָּשִׂיא אוֹמֵר, בֶּאֱמֶת אָמְרוּ: מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ לְהַחְזִיר – מַחְזִירִין, מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ שֶׁלֹּא לְהַחְזִיר – אֵין מַחְזִירִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara suggests: **Shall we say** that Shmuel’s statement that a betrothed woman can claim: **Give me my husband and I will rejoice with him, is** a dispute between ***tanna’im*? As it is taught** in a *baraita*: With regard to **one who betrothed a woman** and then he divorces her or dies, if she is **a virgin,** she **collects two hundred** dinars in payment of her marriage contract. **And** if she is **a widow,** she collects **one hundred dinars.** In **a place where** people **were accustomed to return the betrothal** money when the betrothed man or woman died, **they return** it. In **a place where** people **were accustomed not to return the betrothal** money, **they do not return** it. This is **the statement of Rabbi Natan. Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi says: Actually they said:** In **a place where** people **were accustomed to return** it, **they return** it; in **a place where** people **were accustomed not to return** it, **they do not return** it.


###### Bava Batra 145a:4
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רַבִּי יְהוּדָה הַנָּשִׂיא הַיְינוּ תַּנָּא קַמָּא! אֶלָּא לָאו ״תְּנוּ לִי בַּעְלִי וְאֶשְׂמַח עִמּוֹ״ אִיכָּא בֵּינַיְיהוּ –

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara clarifies: The opinion of **Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi is** identical to the opinion of **the first *tanna*,** i.e., Rabbi Natan. **Rather, is it not** that the difference **between them** concerns the validity of the claim: **Give me my husband and I will rejoice with him?**


###### Bava Batra 145a:5
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וְחַסּוֹרֵי מְחַסְּרָא, וְהָכִי קָתָנֵי: הַמְאָרֵס אֶת הָאִשָּׁה, בְּתוּלָה – גּוֹבָה מָאתַיִם, וְאַלְמָנָה – מָנֶה. בַּמֶּה דְּבָרִים אֲמוּרִים – דַּהֲדַר בֵּיהּ אִיהוּ; אֲבָל מֵתָה – מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ לְהַחְזִיר, מַחְזִירִין; מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ שֶׁלֹּא לְהַחְזִיר, אֵין מַחְזִירִין. וְדַוְקָא שֶׁמֵּתָה הִיא, אֲבָל מֵת הוּא – אֵין מַחְזִירִין. מַאי טַעְמָא? יְכוֹלָה הִיא שֶׁתֹּאמַר: ״תְּנוּ לִי בַּעְלִי וְאֶשְׂמַח עִמּוֹ״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And** the statement in the *baraita* **is incomplete and this** is what **it is teaching:** With regard to **one who betrothed a woman** and then the betrothal is terminated, if she is **a virgin,** she **collects two hundred** dinars in payment of her marriage contract, **and** if she is **a widow,** she collects **one hundred dinars. In what** case **is this statement said?** It is said **where he retracted,** i.e., he died or divorced her. **But** with regard to where **she died,** the *halakha* is as follows: In **a place where** people **were accustomed to return** the betrothal money, **they return** it; in **a place where** people **were accustomed not to return** the betrothal money, **they do not return** it. **And** this applies **specifically** to **where she died; but** if **he died, they do not return** it. **What is the reason** for this? It is because **she can say: Give me my husband and I will rejoice with him.** This is the statement of Rabbi Natan.


###### Bava Batra 145a:6
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וַאֲתָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה הַנָּשִׂיא לְמֵימַר, בֶּאֱמֶת אָמְרוּ: בֵּין מֵת הוּא, וּבֵין מֵתָה הִיא; מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ לְהַחְזִיר – מַחְזִירִין, מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ שֶׁלֹּא לְהַחְזִיר – אֵין מַחְזִירִין; וְלָא מָצְיָא אָמְרָה: ״תְּנוּ לִי בַּעְלִי וְאֶשְׂמַח עִמּוֹ״!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi came to say: Actually they said: Whether he died or whether she died,** in **a place where** people **were accustomed to return** it, **they return** it; in **a place where** people **were accustomed not to return** it, **they do not return** it, **and she cannot say: Give me my husband and I will rejoice with him.**


###### Bava Batra 145a:7
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לָא; דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא יְכוֹלָה שֶׁתֹּאמַר: ״תְּנוּ לִי בַּעְלִי וְאֶשְׂמַח עִמּוֹ״. וּדְמִית הוּא – כּוּלֵּי עָלְמָא לָא פְּלִיגִי, כִּי פְּלִיגִי – שֶׁמֵּתָה הִיא; וְהָכָא בְּקִדּוּשִׁין לְטִיבּוּעִין נִיתְּנוּ קָא מִיפַּלְגִי – רַבִּי נָתָן סָבַר: קִדּוּשִׁין לָאו לְטִיבּוּעִין נִיתְּנוּ, וְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה הַנָּשִׂיא סָבַר: קִדּוּשִׁין לְטִיבּוּעִין נִיתְּנוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this explanation: **No, everyone** agrees that **she can say: Give me my husband and I will rejoice with him, and** in a case **where he died, everyone agrees** that she does not have to return the betrothal money. **They disagree** in a case **where she died, and here** it is **with regard to** the question of whether **betrothal** money **is given as a sunk** cost, i.e., that it is not returned even if the betrothal is not consummated, that **they disagree. Rabbi Natan holds** that **betrothal** money **is not given as a sunk** cost, and in a place where people were accustomed to return it, they return it. **And Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi holds** that **betrothal** money **is given as a sunk** cost.


###### Bava Batra 145a:8
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וְהָא ״מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ לְהַחְזִיר מַחְזִירִין״ קָתָנֵי! הָכִי קָאָמַר: וְסִבְלוֹנוֹת – וַדַּאי מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ לְהַחְזִיר, מַחֲזִירִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **But doesn’t** the *baraita* **teach** that according to Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, in **a place where** people **were accustomed to return** it, **they return** it? This indicates that Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi does not hold that the betrothal money was given as a sunk cost. The Gemara replies: This is not referring to the betrothal money, which is not returned in any event. **This is** what the *baraita* **is saying: But** with regard to **presents,** which the betrothed man sent his betrothed following the betrothal, **certainly** in **a place where** people **were accustomed to return** them, **they return** them.


###### Bava Batra 145a:9
[Bava Batra 145a:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/145a:9)

וְהָנֵי תַּנָּאֵי – כְּהָנֵי תַּנָּאֵי, דְּתַנְיָא: קִדְּשָׁהּ בְּכִכָּר – בְּתוּלָה גּוֹבָה מָאתַיִם, וְאַלְמָנָה מָנֶה; דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי מֵאִיר. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: בְּתוּלָה גּוֹבָה מָאתַיִם, וְאַלְמָנָה מָנֶה; וּמַחְזֶרֶת לוֹ אֶת הַשְּׁאָר. רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: קִדְּשָׁהּ בְּעֶשְׂרִים – נוֹתֵן לָהּ שְׁלֹשִׁים חֲצָאִין. קִדְּשָׁהּ בִּשְׁלֹשִׁים – נוֹתֵן לָהּ עֶשְׂרִים חֲצָאִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara notes: The dispute between **these *tanna’im*,** in the following *baraita*, **is like** the dispute between **those *tanna’im*** just mentioned, **as it is taught** in a *baraita*: In a case where the man **betrothed** a woman **with a talent** of silver, equivalent to six thousand dinars, if she was **a virgin** she **collects** in payment of her marriage contract **two hundred** dinars over and above this amount, **and** if she was **a widow** she collects **one hundred dinars** over and above this amount. This is **the statement of Rabbi Meir. Rabbi Yehuda says: A virgin collects two hundred** dinars **and a widow one hundred dinars, and she returns the rest** of the betrothal money **to him. Rabbi Yosei says:** If **he betrothed her with twenty, he gives her thirty halves;** if **he betrothed her with thirty, he gives her twenty halves,** as the Gemara will explain.


###### Bava Batra 145a:10
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בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן? אִילֵימָא שֶׁמֵּתָה, מִי אִית לַהּ כְּתוּבָּה?! וְאֶלָּא שֶׁמֵּת הוּא – אַמַּאי מַחְזֶרֶת לוֹ אֶת הַשְּׁאָר? וְנֵימָא: ״תְּנוּ לִי בַּעְלִי וְאֶשְׂמַח עִמּוֹ״! וְאֶלָּא בְּאֵשֶׁת יִשְׂרָאֵל שֶׁזִּינְּתָה. וּבְמַאי? אִי בְּרָצוֹן – מִי אִית לַהּ כְּתוּבָּה? וְאֶלָּא בְּאוֹנֶס – מִישְׁרֵא שַׁרְיָא לֵיהּ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara clarifies the *baraita*: **With what are we dealing? If we say** the *baraita* is referring to **when she died, is she entitled** to receive payment of her **marriage contract? Rather,** perhaps the *baraita* is referring to **where he died,** in which case **why** does Rabbi Yehuda state that **she returns the rest** of the betrothal money **to him? Let her say: Give me my husband and I will rejoice with him. Rather,** perhaps the *baraita* is referring to the case **of the wife,** i.e., the betrothed, **of an Israelite, who committed adultery,** who cannot claim that she is available to marry her betrothed, as it is prohibited for her to engage in intercourse with him. The Gemara challenges: This is also difficult, as **with what** circumstance is the *baraita* dealing? **If** it is referring to **where** she committed adultery **willingly, is she entitled** to receive payment of her **marriage contract? Rather,** it is referring **to** a case of **rape.** But in that case, she **is permitted to him.** Why should she return the betrothal money?


###### Bava Batra 145a:11
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וְאֶלָּא בְּאֵשֶׁת כֹּהֵן שֶׁנֶּאֶנְסָה, וּבְקִדּוּשִׁין לְטִיבּוּעִין נִיתְּנוּ קָמִיפַּלְגִי – רַבִּי מֵאִיר סָבַר: קִדּוּשִׁין לְטִיבּוּעִין נִיתְּנוּ, וְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה סָבַר: לָאו לְטִיבּוּעִין נִיתְּנוּ. וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי – מְסַפְּקָא לֵיהּ אִי לְטִיבּוּעִין נִיתְּנוּ אִי לָא,

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather,** the *baraita* is referring **to the wife,** i.e., the betrothed, **of a priest, who was raped** and is prohibited from engaging in intercourse with her betrothed. She therefore cannot claim: Give me my husband and I will rejoice with him, yet she is entitled to receive payment of her marriage contract, **and** the *tanna’im* **disagree with regard to** whether **betrothal** money **is given as a sunk** cost: **Rabbi Meir holds that betrothal** money **is given as a sunk** cost. **Rabbi Yehuda holds** that it **is not given as a sunk** cost. **And Rabbi Yosei is uncertain if** it **is given as a sunk** cost **or not.**


###### Bava Batra 145a:12
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וְהִלְכָּךְ קִדְּשָׁהּ בְּעֶשְׂרִים – נוֹתֵן לָהּ שְׁלֹשִׁים חֲצָאִין. קִדְּשָׁהּ בִּשְׁלֹשִׁים – נוֹתֵן לָהּ עֶשְׂרִים חֲצָאִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara explains Rabbi Yosei’s opinion: **And** since it is uncertain whether or not she is required to return the betrothal money, **therefore,** she returns only half the money: If **he betrothed her with twenty** *sela*, which are equivalent to eighty dinars, she owes him forty dinars. Yet, if she is widowed or divorced, she is entitled to one hundred dinars in payment of her marriage contract, so he or his estate **gives her thirty halves** of a *sela*, which are equivalent to sixty dinars, so that she receives one hundred dinars in all. If **he betrothed her with thirty** *sela*, which are equivalent to one hundred twenty dinars, she owes him sixty dinars. Since she is entitled to one hundred dinars in payment of her marriage contract, he **gives her twenty halves** of a *sela*, equivalent to forty dinars.


###### Bava Batra 145a:13
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אָמַר רַב יוֹסֵף בַּר מִנְיוֹמֵי אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן: בְּכׇל מָקוֹם שֶׁנָּהֲגוּ לְהַחְזִיר – מַחְזִירִין. וְתַרְגּוּמָא: נְהַרְדְּעָא. שְׁאָר בָּבֶל מַאי? רַבָּה וְרַב יוֹסֵף דְּאָמְרִי תַּרְוַיְיהוּ: מוּהְרֵי הָדְרִי, קִדּוּשֵׁי לָא הָדְרִי. אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא, הִלְכְתָא: בֵּין שֶׁמֵּת הוּא, בֵּין שֶׁמֵּתָה הִיא, וַהֲדַר בֵּיהּ הוּא – מוּהְרֵי הָדְרִי, קִדּוּשֵׁי לָא הָדְרִי. הֲדַרָא בָּהּ אִיהִי – אֲפִילּוּ קִדּוּשֵׁי נָמֵי הָדְרִי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Yosef bar Minyumi says** that **Rav Naḥman says: In every place where they were accustomed to return** the betrothal money, **they return** it. **And the interpretation** of this statement is that it is referring to **Neharde’a.** The Gemara asks: With regard to **the rest of Babylonia, what** is the *halakha*? **Rabba and Rav Yosef both say:** The **presents are returned** and the **betrothal** money **is not returned. Rav Pappa said: The *halakha*** is that **whether he died** or **whether she died or** whether **he retracted** his agreement to the betrothal and divorced her, the **presents are returned** and the **betrothal** money **is not returned.** If **she retracted** her agreement to the betrothal and requested a divorce, **even** the **betrothal** money **is returned.**


###### Bava Batra 145a:14
[Bava Batra 145a:14](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/145a:14)

אַמֵּימָר אָמַר: קִדּוּשֵׁי לָא הָדְרִי, גְּזֵירָה שֶׁמָּא יֹאמְרוּ קִדּוּשִׁין תּוֹפְסִין בַּאֲחוֹתָהּ. רַב אָשֵׁי אָמַר: גִּיטָּהּ מוֹכִיחַ עָלֶיהָ. וְהָא דְּרַב אָשֵׁי בְּדוּתָא הִיא, דְּאִיכָּא דְּשָׁמַע בְּהָא וְלָא שָׁמַע בְּהָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Ameimar said:** The **betrothal** money **is not returned.** This is a rabbinic **decree, lest** people **say** that **betrothal takes effect with her sister.** If the betrothal money is returned, people are likely to think that the betrothal is retroactively nullified and that the man can betroth her sister, whereas in fact the betrothal was not retroactively nullified and he cannot betroth her. **Rav Ashi said: Her bill of divorce proves for her** that she was betrothed, so this concern is not in effect. The Gemara comments: **And this** statement **of Rav Ashi is a mistake, since there are** those **who heard about this,** i.e., the return of the betrothal money, **but did not hear about that,** i.e., the bill of divorce.


###### Bava Batra 145a:15
[Bava Batra 145a:15](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/145a:15)

שֶׁהַשּׁוֹשְׁבִינוּת נִגְבֵּית בְּבֵית דִּין. תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן, חֲמִשָּׁה דְּבָרִים נֶאֶמְרוּ בְּשׁוֹשְׁבִינוּת: נִגְבֵּית בְּבֵית דִּין, וְחוֹזֶרֶת בְּעוֹנָתָהּ, וְאֵין בָּהּ מִשּׁוּם רִבִּית,

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The mishna teaches: If the gifts of groomsmen are reciprocated after the father’s death, they are reciprocated to the middle, **because gifts of groomsmen are** a legal debt owed to the father, **collectible in court. The Sages taught** (*Tosefta* 10:8): **Five statements were said with regard to gifts of groomsmen:** They are **collectible in court; and** they are **reciprocated** only **at their** relevant **time,** i.e., at the time of the groomsman’s own wedding; **and they are not subject to** the prohibition of **interest,** i.e., it is permitted to reciprocate with a gift of greater value than the original gift;