## Bava Batra Daf 167b

###### Bava Batra 167b:1
[Bava Batra 167b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:1)

כּוֹתְבִין שְׁטָר לַלֹּוֶה – אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵין מַלְוֶה עִמּוֹ, וְאֵין כּוֹתְבִין לַמַּלְוֶה – עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא לֹוֶה עִמּוֹ. וְהַלֹּוֶה נוֹתֵן שָׂכָר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
A scribe may **write** a promissory **note for a debtor** who requests one, **even if** the **creditor is not with him** when he requests the document, **but** a scribe may **not write** a promissory note **for a creditor** who requests it **unless** the **debtor is with him** and consents. **And** it is **the debtor** who **gives** the scribe his **wages.**


###### Bava Batra 167b:2
[Bava Batra 167b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:2)

כּוֹתְבִין שְׁטָר לַמּוֹכֵר – אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵין לוֹקֵחַ עִמּוֹ, וְאֵין כּוֹתְבִין לַלּוֹקֵחַ – עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא מוֹכֵר עִמּוֹ. וְהַלּוֹקֵחַ נוֹתֵן שָׂכָר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
A scribe may **write a bill** of sale **for a seller** of a field who requests one **even if the purchaser is not with him** when he presents his request, **but** a scribe may **not write** a bill of sale **for a purchaser** who requests it **unless the seller is with him** and consents. **And** it is **the purchaser** who **gives** the scribe his **wages.**


###### Bava Batra 167b:3
[Bava Batra 167b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:3)

אֵין כּוֹתְבִין שְׁטָרֵי אֵירוּסִין וְנִשּׂוּאִין אֶלָּא מִדַּעַת שְׁנֵיהֶם, וְהֶחָתָן נוֹתֵן שָׂכָר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
A scribe may **not write documents of betrothal and** documents of **marriage except with the consent of both** parties, the groom and the bride. **And** it is **the groom** who **gives** the scribe his **wages.**


###### Bava Batra 167b:4
[Bava Batra 167b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:4)

אֵין כּוֹתְבִין שְׁטַר אֲרִיסוּת וְקַבְּלָנוּת אֶלָּא מִדַּעַת שְׁנֵיהֶם, וְהַמְקַבֵּל נוֹתֵן שָׂכָר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
A scribe may **not write contracts for sharecroppers and contractors except with the consent of both** parties, i.e., the sharecropper or contractor and the one who hires him. **And** it is **the** sharecropper or **contractor** who **gives** the scribe his **wages.**


###### Bava Batra 167b:5
[Bava Batra 167b:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:5)

אֵין כּוֹתְבִין שְׁטָרֵי בֵּירוּרִין וְכׇל מַעֲשֵׂה בֵּית דִּין – אֶלָּא מִדַּעַת שְׁנֵיהֶם, וּשְׁנֵיהֶם נוֹתְנִין שָׂכָר. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: לִשְׁנֵיהֶם כּוֹתְבִין שְׁנַיִם – לָזֶה לְעַצְמוֹ וְלָזֶה לְעַצְמוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
A scribe may **not write documents** testifying to **arbitration** agreements **or any** other **court enactment except with the consent of both** parties to the litigation. **And both** parties **give** the scribe his **wages. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says:** The scribe **writes two** documents **for the two** parties, one **for this** one **by himself, and** one **for that** one **by himself.**


###### Bava Batra 167b:6
[Bava Batra 167b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:6)

**גְּמָ׳** מַאי ״וּבִלְבַד שֶׁיְּהֵא מַכִּירָן״? אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב: וּבִלְבַד שֶׁיְּהֵא מַכִּיר שֵׁם הָאִישׁ בַּגֵּט, וְשֵׁם הָאִשָּׁה בַּשּׁוֹבָר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**GEMARA:** **What** is meant by: **Provided that** the scribe **recognizes** the parties requesting the document? **Rav Yehuda says** that **Rav says:** It means **provided that he recognizes the man’s name in the** case of **the bill of divorce and the woman’s name in** the case of **the receipt.**


###### Bava Batra 167b:7
[Bava Batra 167b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:7)

יָתֵיב רַב סָפְרָא וְרַב אַחָא בַּר הוּנָא וְרַב הוּנָא בַּר חִינָּנָא, וְיָתֵיב אַבָּיֵי גַּבַּיְיהוּ, וְיָתְבִי וְקָמִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ: שֵׁם הָאִישׁ בַּגֵּט – אִין, שֵׁם הָאִשָּׁה – לָא?! שֵׁם הָאִשָּׁה בַּשּׁוֹבָר – אִין, שֵׁם הָאִישׁ – לָא?!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara relates: **Rav Safra and Rav Aḥa bar Huna and Rav Huna bar Ḥinnana** were **sitting, and Abaye** was **sitting near them. And** as **they were sitting, they raised a dilemma:** Did Rav mean that with regard to **the man’s name in the** case of **bill of divorce bill, yes,** it must be known to the scribe, but **the woman’s name** need **not** be known to the scribe? And did he mean that with regard to **the woman’s name in** the case of **the receipt, yes,** it must be known to the scribe, but **the man’s name** need **not** be known to the scribe?


###### Bava Batra 167b:8
[Bava Batra 167b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:8)

וְלֵיחוּשׁ דִּלְמָא כָּתֵב גִּיטָּא, וְאָזֵיל וּמַמְטֵי לֵיהּ לְאִיתְּתֵיהּ דְּהַיְאךְ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**But** if so, **let** there be **a concern** that **perhaps** the man who made the request **writes the bill of divorce and** intends to **go and give it to the wife of another** man with the same name.


###### Bava Batra 167b:9
[Bava Batra 167b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:9)

וְזִמְנִין אָזְלָא כָּתְבָה אִשָּׁה שׁוֹבָר, וְיָהֲבָה לְגַבְרָא דְּלָאו דִּילַהּ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And** similarly, in the case of the receipt let there be a concern that there will be **times** when the **woman writes** the **receipt and** intends to **give** it **to a man who is not her** husband, whose wife shares her name.


###### Bava Batra 167b:10
[Bava Batra 167b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:10)

אֲמַר לְהוּ אַבָּיֵי, הָכִי אָמַר רַב: שֵׁם הָאִישׁ בַּגֵּט – וְהוּא הַדִּין לְשֵׁם הָאִשָּׁה. שֵׁם הָאִשָּׁה בַּשּׁוֹבָר – וְהוּא הַדִּין לְשֵׁם הָאִישׁ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Abaye said to them:** You are not understanding Rav’s statement correctly. **This** is what **Rav says: The man’s name in** the case of **the bill of divorce** must be known to the scribe, **and the same is true of the woman’s name,** which must also be known to the scribe. And **the woman’s name in** the case of **the receipt** must be known to the scribe, **and the same is true of the man’s name,** which must also be known to the scribe.


###### Bava Batra 167b:11
[Bava Batra 167b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:11)

וְלֵיחוּשׁ לִשְׁנֵי יוֹסֵף בֶּן שִׁמְעוֹן הַדָּרִים בְּעִיר אַחַת – דִּלְמָא כָּתֵיב גִּיטָּא, וְאָזֵיל וּמַמְטֵי לֵיהּ לְאִיתְּתֵיהּ דְּהַיְאךְ! אֲמַר לְהוּ רַב אַחָא בַּר הוּנָא, הָכִי אָמַר רַב: שְׁנֵי יוֹסֵף בֶּן שִׁמְעוֹן הַדָּרִים בְּעִיר אַחַת – אֵין מְגָרְשִׁין נְשׁוֹתֵיהֶן אֶלָּא זֶה בִּפְנֵי זֶה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
They continued their line of questioning: **And** even if both names are known to the scribe, **let** there be **a concern for** the possibility of **two** men with the same name, such as two men named **Yosef ben Shimon, who live in one city** and whose wives share the same name as well, and **perhaps** the man who made the request will **write the bill of divorce and** intend to **go and give it to the wife of the other** man who bears the same name as him. **Rav Aḥa bar Huna said to them** in reply that **this** is what **Rav says:** If there are **two** men named **Yosef ben Shimon who live in one city** and are married to women who share the same name, **they may divorce their wives only in the presence of one another.**


###### Bava Batra 167b:12
[Bava Batra 167b:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:12)

וְלֵיחוּשׁ דִּלְמָא אָזֵיל לְמָתָא אַחְרִיתָא וּמַחְזֵיק לֵיהּ לִשְׁמֵיהּ בְּיוֹסֵף בֶּן שִׁמְעוֹן, וְכָתֵיב גִּיטָּא וּמַמְטֵי לֵיהּ לְאִיתְּתֵיהּ דְּהַיְאךְ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
They continued to ask: **But** even if the scribe knows the man’s name and the name of the man’s wife, **let** there be **a concern** that **perhaps** someone will **go to another city and establish** a false **name for himself as Yosef ben Shimon, and** he **will write the bill of divorce and give it to the wife of the other** man, whose name really is Yosef ben Shimon.


###### Bava Batra 167b:13
[Bava Batra 167b:13](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:13)

אֲמַר לְהוּ רַב הוּנָא בַּר חִינָּנָא, הָכִי אָמַר רַב: כׇּל שֶׁהוּחְזַק שְׁמוֹ בָּעִיר שְׁלֹשִׁים יוֹם – אֵין חוֹשְׁשִׁין לוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Huna bar Ḥinnana said to them** that **this** is what **Rav says:** With regard to **anyone whose name has been established in a city** for **thirty days,** there is **no concern** harbored **about him** that his name is false. It is assumed that this is his true name.


###### Bava Batra 167b:14
[Bava Batra 167b:14](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:14)

לָא אִיתַּחְזַק, מַאי? אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: דְּקָרוּ לֵיהּ וְעָנֵי. רַב זְבִיד אָמַר: רַמָּאָה – בְּרַמָּאוּתֵיהּ זְהִיר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
They continued to ask: **What** if his name has **not** been **established** for thirty days? How can a newcomer in a town have a bill of divorce drawn up for him? **Abaye said:** It is sufficient **that** people **call him** by the name he claims for himself **and he responds** to that call. **Rav Zevid said: A liar is careful about** upholding **his lies,** and just because he responds to being called by a particular name does not prove he is telling the truth. A newcomer would therefore have to wait thirty days before requesting that a scribe write him a bill of divorce.


###### Bava Batra 167b:15
[Bava Batra 167b:15](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:15)

הָהוּא תְּבָרָא דַּהֲוָה חֲתִים עֲלַהּ רַב יִרְמְיָה בַּר אַבָּא. אָתְיָא לְקַמֵּיהּ הָהִיא אִיתְּתָא, אֲמַרָה לֵיהּ: לָאו אֲנָא הֲוַאי. אָמַר, אֲנָא נָמֵי אֲמַרִי לְהוּ: לָאו אִיהִי הִיא, וַאֲמַרוּ לִי: מִיקָּשׁ הוּא דְּקַשָּׁא לַהּ – וּבְגַר לַהּ קָלָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ There was **a certain receipt** of payment of a marriage contract **upon which Rav Yirmeya bar Abba was signed** as a witness. **That woman,** whose name matched the name on the receipt, **came before** Rav Yirmeya, seeking to collect payment of her marriage contract. Rav Yirmeya recognized her name, but not her appearance. The woman **said to him: It was not I** whose name was on the receipt that you signed, but another woman with the same name; I have not collected payment of my marriage contract. Rav Yirmeya **said: I, too, said to** the other witnesses signed on the document: The woman for whom we signed the receipt **is not she. But they said to me:** It is in fact the same woman, but **she has aged and her voice has matured** and changed, and that is why you do not recognize her.


###### Bava Batra 167b:16
[Bava Batra 167b:16](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/167b:16)

אָמַר אַבָּיֵי, אַף עַל גַּב דַּאֲמוּר רַבָּנַן:

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Abaye said** that **although the Sages said:**