## Bava Batra Daf 172b

###### Bava Batra 172b:1
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אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: ״מִמְּךָ״ – אֲפִילּוּ מֵרֵישׁ גָּלוּתָא, וַאֲפִילּוּ מִשַּׁבּוּר מַלְכָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Huna said:** The term: **From you,** in the document does not identify anyone in particular, and can mean **even: From the Exilarch, or even: From King Shapur.**


###### Bava Batra 172b:2
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב חִסְדָּא לְרַבָּה: פּוֹק עַיֵּין בָּהּ, דִּלְאוּרְתָּא בָּעֵי לַהּ רַב הוּנָא מִינָּךְ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ḥisda said to Rabba: Go out** and **investigate** this matter, **as tonight Rav Huna will ask this** question **of you.**


###### Bava Batra 172b:3
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נְפַק דָּק וְאַשְׁכַּח – דְּתַנְיָא: גֵּט שֶׁיֵּשׁ עָלָיו עֵדִים וְאֵין בּוֹ זְמַן, אַבָּא שָׁאוּל אוֹמֵר: אִם כָּתוּב בּוֹ ״גֵּרַשְׁתִּיהָ הַיּוֹם״ – כָּשֵׁר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Rabba **went out, examined** the matter, **and discovered** a relevant source. **As it is taught** in a *baraita*: Concerning **a bill of divorce in which there are** the signatures of **witnesses on** the document **but there is no date** written **on it, Abba Shaul says** that **if** it **is written in it: I divorced her today,** it is **valid.**


###### Bava Batra 172b:4
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אַלְמָא ״הַיּוֹם״ – הַהוּא יוֹמָא דְּנָפֵיק בֵּיהּ מַשְׁמַע; הָכָא נָמֵי, מִמְּךָ – מֵהָהוּא גַּבְרָא דְּנָפֵיק מִתּוּתֵי יְדֵיהּ מַשְׁמַע.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Rabba concludes: **Apparently,** the term: **Today, indicates that day on which** the bill of divorce **emerges** in the presence of the court. **Here too,** the term: **From you,** in a promissory note **indicates that man from whose possession it emerges.**


###### Bava Batra 172b:5
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי: וְדִלְמָא אַבָּא שָׁאוּל כְּרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר סְבִירָא לֵיהּ, דְּאָמַר: עֵדֵי מְסִירָה כָּרְתִי; אֲבָל הָכָא לֵיחוּשׁ לִנְפִילָה!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Abaye said to him: But** this is not a valid proof, as **perhaps Abba Shaul holds in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Eliezer, who says** that **witnesses of the transmission** of the bill of divorce **effect** the divorce. **But here, let** there be **a concern for** the possibility of the promissory note **falling** from its rightful owner and being found by the present holder of the document.


###### Bava Batra 172b:6
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לִנְפִילָה לָא חָיְישִׁינַן. וּמְנָא תֵּימְרָא דְּלָא חָיְישִׁינַן לִנְפִילָה?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Rabba **said to** Abaye: **We are not concerned for** the possibility of a promissory note **falling** from its rightful owner and being found by another. **And from where do you say,** i.e., from where can it be proven, **that we are not concerned for** the possibility of a promissory note **falling** and being found by another?


###### Bava Batra 172b:7
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דִּתְנַן: שְׁנַיִם שֶׁהָיוּ בְּעִיר אַחַת, שֵׁם אֶחָד יוֹסֵף בֶּן שִׁמְעוֹן וְשֵׁם אַחֵר יוֹסֵף בֶּן שִׁמְעוֹן – אֵינָן יְכוֹלִין לְהוֹצִיא שְׁטַר חוֹב זֶה עַל זֶה, וְלֹא אַחֵר יָכוֹל לְהוֹצִיא עֲלֵיהֶן שְׁטַר חוֹב. הָא הֵם עַל אֲחֵרִים – יְכוֹלִין; וְאַמַּאי? לֵיחוּשׁ לִנְפִילָה! אֶלָּא לָאו שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ לִנְפִילָה לָא חָיְישִׁינַן?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**As we learned** in the mishna: If there are **two** people **who were** living **in one city, one named Yosef ben Shimon and the other** also **named Yosef ben Shimon, one cannot present a promissory note against the other,** as the purported debtor can claim: On the contrary, it is you who owed me money; you repaid me and I returned this note to you upon payment. **Nor can another,** third person, **present a promissory note against** either of **them. This** indicates that one of **them can** present a promissory note **against others. But why** can they do so? **Let** there be **a concern for** the possibility of the promissory note **falling** from one Yosef ben Shimon and being found by the other. **Rather,** must one **not conclude from this** mishna that **we are not concerned for** the possibility of the promissory note **falling** from one Yosef ben Shimon and being found by the other?


###### Bava Batra 172b:8
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וְאַבָּיֵי – לִנְפִילָה דְחַד לָא חָיְישִׁינַן, לִנְפִילָה דְרַבִּים חָיְישִׁינַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **And** why did **Abaye,** who is concerned for this possibility, not see a proof to the contrary from the mishna? He would counter: **We are not concerned for** the possibility of a promissory note **falling from one** particular person and being found by the other person with the same name, which is the case in the mishna, as that is extremely unlikely. **We are concerned for** the possibility of a promissory note **falling from** one of the general **public** and being found by someone else.