## Bava Batra Daf 174a

###### Bava Batra 174a:1
[Bava Batra 174a:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:1)

רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: אִם יֵשׁ נְכָסִים לַלֹּוֶה – אֶחָד זֶה וְאֶחָד זֶה לֹא יִפָּרַע מֵהֶן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: If the debtor has property,** in **both this** case **and** in **that** case, i.e., whether the guarantor is a standard guarantor or an unconditional guarantor, the creditor **cannot collect** the debt **from** either type of guarantor.


###### Bava Batra 174a:2
[Bava Batra 174a:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:2)

אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר חָנָה אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: כׇּל מָקוֹם שֶׁשָּׁנָה רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל בְּמִשְׁנָתֵנוּ – הֲלָכָה כְּמוֹתוֹ; חוּץ מֵעָרֵב, וְצַיְדָן, וּרְאָיָה אַחֲרוֹנָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabba bar Ḥana says** that **Rabbi Yoḥanan says: Wherever Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel taught** a *halakha* **in** the corpus of **our Mishna,** the ***halakha*** is **in accordance with his** opinion, **except for** the following three cases: The responsibility of the **guarantor, and** the incident that occurred in the city of **Tzaidan** (see *Gittin* 74a), **and** the dispute with regard to **evidence** in the **final** disagreement (see *Sanhedrin* 31a).


###### Bava Batra 174a:3
[Bava Batra 174a:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:3)

אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: ״הַלְוֵהוּ וַאֲנִי עָרֵב״; ״הַלְוֵהוּ וַאֲנִי פּוֹרֵעַ״; ״הַלְוֵהוּ וַאֲנִי חַיָּיב״; ״הַלְוֵהוּ וַאֲנִי נוֹתֵן״ – כּוּלָּן לְשׁוֹן עַרְבוּת הֵן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara discusses which expressions confer upon a person the status of a standard guarantor, and which confer the status of an unconditional guarantor. **Rav Huna says** that if one says to a potential creditor: **Lend** money to **him and I** am **a guarantor,** or: **Lend** money to **him and I** will **repay** the debt, or: **Lend** money to **him and I** am **obligated** to repay the debt, or: **Lend** money to **him and I** will **give** the money back to you, **all these are expressions** that confer the status of a standard **guarantee.**


###### Bava Batra 174a:4
[Bava Batra 174a:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:4)

״תֵּן לוֹ וַאֲנִי קַבְּלָן״; ״תֵּן לוֹ וַאֲנִי פּוֹרֵעַ״; ״תֵּן לוֹ וַאֲנִי חַיָּיב״; ״תֵּן לוֹ וַאֲנִי נוֹתֵן״ – כּוּלָּן לְשׁוֹן קַבְּלָנוּת הֵן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
If one says: **Give** money **to him and I** am **an unconditional guarantor,** or: **Give** money **to him and I** will **repay** the debt, or: **Give** money **to him and I** am **obligated** to repay the debt, or: **Give** money **to him and I** will **give** the money back to you, **all these are expressions** that confer the status of **an unconditional guarantee.** The usage of the word give, as opposed to lend, confers the status of an unconditional guarantor.


###### Bava Batra 174a:5
[Bava Batra 174a:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:5)

אִיבַּעְיָא לְהוּ: ״הַלְוֵהוּ וַאֲנִי קַבְּלָן״; ״תֵּן לוֹ וַאֲנִי עָרֵב״ – מַאי?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**A dilemma was raised before** the Sages: **What** is the *halakha* if one says: **Lend** money to **him and I** am **an unconditional guarantor?** On the one hand, the word lend is used, as opposed to give, but on the other hand, he explicitly states that he will be an unconditional guarantor. What is the *halakha* if one says: **Give** money **to him and I** am **a guarantor?** On the one hand, the word give is used, as opposed to lend, but on the other hand, he states that he will be a guarantor.


###### Bava Batra 174a:6
[Bava Batra 174a:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:6)

אָמַר רַבִּי יִצְחָק: לְשׁוֹן עַרְבוּת – עַרְבוּת, לְשׁוֹן קַבְּלָנוּת – קַבְּלָנוּת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Yitzḥak says** in resolving this dilemma: When one employs **the language of** a standard **guarantee,** it is a standard **guarantee,** even if he also used the word give. And when one employs **the language of an unconditional guarantee,** it is **an unconditional guarantee,** even if he also used the word lend.


###### Bava Batra 174a:7
[Bava Batra 174a:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:7)

רַב חִסְדָּא אָמַר: כּוּלָּן לְשׁוֹן קַבְּלָנוּת הֵן, בַּר מֵ״הַלְוֵהוּ וַאֲנִי עָרֵב״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ḥisda says: All of** the expressions mentioned in this discussion **are expressions of an unconditional guarantee, except for: Lend** money to **him and I** am **a guarantor.**


###### Bava Batra 174a:8
[Bava Batra 174a:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:8)

רָבָא אָמַר: כּוּלָּן לְשׁוֹן עַרְבוּת הֵן, בַּר מִ״תֵּן לוֹ וַאֲנִי נוֹתֵן״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rava says: All** of the expressions mentioned in this discussion **are expressions of** a standard **guarantee, except for: Give** money **to him and I** will **give** the money back to you.


###### Bava Batra 174a:9
[Bava Batra 174a:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:9)

אֲמַר לֵיהּ מָר בַּר אַמֵּימָר לְרַב אָשֵׁי, הָכִי אָמַר אַבָּא: ״תֵּן לוֹ וַאֲנִי נוֹתֵן״ – אֵין לַמַּלְוֶה עַל הַלֹּוֶה כְּלוּם.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Mar bar Ameimar said to Rav Ashi: My father said the following:** If one says: **Give** money **to him and I** will **give** the money back to you, this expression binds the guarantor to such an extent that **the lender has no** claim **against the debtor at all;** his only option is to collect the debt from the guarantor.


###### Bava Batra 174a:10
[Bava Batra 174a:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:10)

וְלָא הִיא; לָא מִיפְּטַר לֹוֶה מִינֵּיהּ דְּמַלְוֶה, עַד שֶׁיִּשָּׂא וְיִתֵּן בַּיָּד.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this last statement: **But** that **is not so.** Rather, **the debtor is not exempted from** dealing with the **creditor unless** the guarantor **takes** the money from the creditor **and gives** it to the debtor **with** his own **hand.**


###### Bava Batra 174a:11
[Bava Batra 174a:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:11)

הָהוּא דַּיָּינָא דְּאַחֲתֵיהּ לְמַלְוֶה לְנִכְסֵי [דְלֹוֶה] מִקַּמֵּי דְּלִתְבְּעֵיהּ לְלֹוֶה, סַלְּקֵיהּ רַב חָנִין בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יֵיבָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara relates: There was once **a certain judge who permitted a creditor to enter the debtor’s property** and collect it for his debt **before lodging a claim against the debtor** himself. **Rav Ḥanin, son of Rav Yeiva,** overruled that judge and **expelled** the creditor from the seized property.


###### Bava Batra 174a:12
[Bava Batra 174a:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:12)

אָמַר רָבָא: מַאן חַכִּים לְמֶעְבַּד כִּי הָא מִילְּתָא, אִי לָאו רַב חָנִין בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יֵיבָא! קָסָבַר: נִכְסֵיהּ דְּבַר אִינִישׁ – אִינּוּן מְעָרְבִין יָתֵיהּ; וּתְנַן: הַמַּלְוֶה אֶת חֲבֵירוֹ עַל יְדֵי עָרֵב – לֹא יִפָּרַע מִן הֶעָרֵב, וְקַיְימָא לַן: לֹא יִתְבַּע עָרֵב תְּחִלָּה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
When **Rava** heard about this he **said: Who** is **wise** enough **to perform such a matter,** i.e., to issue this ruling, **if not Rav Ḥanin, son of Rav Yeiva? He holds that a person’s property is a guarantee for him,** i.e., it acts as a guarantor for the loan if the debtor does not repay it; **and we learned** in the mishna: **One who lends** money **to another with** the assurance of **a guarantor cannot collect** the debt **from the guarantor. And we established** that the mishna means that he **cannot collect** the debt **from the guarantor at the outset,** before seeking payment from the debtor himself. So too, he cannot collect the debt by taking the debtor’s property without first seeking payment from the debtor himself.


###### Bava Batra 174a:13
[Bava Batra 174a:13](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:13)

הָהוּא עָרְבָא דְּיַתְמֵי, דְּפַרְעֵיהּ לְמַלְוֶה מִקַּמֵּי דְּלוֹדְעִינְהוּ לְיַתְמֵי;

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara relates: There was once **a certain guarantor for orphans** whose father borrowed money and died, and the orphans were minors, and this guarantor **repaid** the debt **to the creditor before informing the orphans** that he was repaying the debt for them. The guarantor now sought reimbursement from the orphans.


###### Bava Batra 174a:14
[Bava Batra 174a:14](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:14)

אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: פְּרִיעַת בַּעַל חוֹב מִצְוָה, וְיַתְמֵי לָאו בְּנֵי מֶיעְבַּד מִצְוָה נִינְהוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Pappa said: Repaying a creditor** is **a mitzva, and orphans** who are minors **are not obligated in performing a mitzva.** They therefore do not have to repay any debts owed by their deceased father until they reach the age of majority.


###### Bava Batra 174a:15
[Bava Batra 174a:15](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/174a:15)

וְרַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ אָמַר: אֵימַר צְרָרֵי אַתְפְּסֵיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua,** also **said** that the orphans do not have to repay the guarantor until reaching majority, but for a different reason: **Say** that perhaps the deceased **gave bundles** of money **to** his creditor before his death, and therefore some or all of the debt has been paid. As long as they are minors, the heirs would not be aware of this payment, but upon reaching majority there is a chance that they may examine their father’s papers and discover that their father had done this. Therefore, payment is deferred until they reach majority.