## Bava Batra Daf 175a

###### Bava Batra 175a:1
[Bava Batra 175a:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/175a:1)

הָכָא נָמֵי, אָדָם עָשׂוּי שֶׁלֹּא לְהַשְׂבִּיעַ אֶת עַצְמוֹ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Here, too,** with regard to the Temple treasury, apply the same principle and say: **A person is prone** to make false statements so as **not to make himself** appear **sated.** It is therefore possible that the money was not owed, and payment should not be made from the consecrated property.


###### Bava Batra 175a:2
[Bava Batra 175a:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/175a:2)

כִּי קָאָמַר רַב הוּנָא הָתָם – דְּנָקֵיט שְׁטָרָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara answers: **When** does **Rav Huna say** that payment should be made **there,** in the case of a person on his deathbed who consecrated all his property? In a case **where** the creditor, to whom the deceased admitted owing money, **holds** a promissory **note** corroborating the deceased’s admission.


###### Bava Batra 175a:3
[Bava Batra 175a:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/175a:3)

מִכְּלָל דְּרַב וּשְׁמוּאֵל – דְּלָא נָקֵיט שְׁטָרָא; אָמַר ״תְּנוּ״ – נוֹתְנִין?! מִלְוֶה עַל פֶּה הֲוָה, וְרַב וּשְׁמוּאֵל דְּאָמְרִי תַּרְוַיְיהוּ: מִלְוֶה עַל פֶּה – אֵינוֹ גּוֹבֶה לֹא מִן הַיּוֹרְשִׁין וְלֹא מִן הַלָּקוֹחוֹת!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara comments: **By inference,** the statement **of Rav and Shmuel,** where the money is not given to the creditor unless the person on his deathbed explicitly requests that it be given, is applicable in a case **where** the creditor **does not hold** a promissory **note** corroborating the admission. The Gemara asks: If so, how can it be that if the deceased **says: Give** him the money, the children **give** it to him, i.e., it is collected from the estate left to the heirs, as **it is a loan by oral** contract, **and as Rav and Shmuel both say: One does not collect a loan by oral** contract **from heirs nor from purchasers** who bought land from the debtor after the loan was granted?


###### Bava Batra 175a:4
[Bava Batra 175a:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/175a:4)

אֶלָּא אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן: אִידֵּי וְאִידֵּי דְּנָקֵיט שְׁטָרָא, וְלָא קַשְׁיָא – הָא דִּמְקוּיָּים, הָא דְּלָא מְקוּיָּים; אָמַר ״תְּנוּ״ – קַיְּימֵיהּ לִשְׁטָרֵיהּ, לֹא אָמַר ״תְּנוּ״ – לָא קַיְּימֵיהּ לִשְׁטָרֵיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara gives a different answer to this question. **Rather, Rav Naḥman said:** Both **this** case **and that** case are discussing **where** the creditor **holds** a promissory **note** corroborating the deceased’s admission. **And** yet it is **not difficult.** In **this** ruling of Rav Huna, the case is **where** the creditor’s promissory note has been **ratified** by the court, and in **that** ruling of Rav and Shmuel, the case is **where** the creditor’s promissory note has **not** been **ratified** by the court. Therefore, in the latter case, if the person on his deathbed **says: Give** him the money, he **has** in effect **ratified** the creditor’s promissory **note,** and if he did **not say: Give** him the money, he has **not ratified** the creditor’s promissory **note.**


###### Bava Batra 175a:5
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אָמַר רַבָּה: שְׁכִיב מְרַע שֶׁאָמַר ״מָנֶה לִפְלוֹנִי בְּיָדִי״, וְאָמְרוּ יְתוֹמִין ״פָּרַעְנוּ״ – נֶאֱמָנִין. ״תְּנוּ מָנֶה לִפְלוֹנִי״, וְאָמְרוּ יְתוֹמִין ״פָּרַעְנוּ״ – אֵין נֶאֱמָנִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rabba says** that in the case of **a person on his deathbed who says: So-and-so has one hundred dinars in my possession, and the orphans** who inherited his property subsequently **said: We repaid** the debt, **they are deemed credible.** But if the father said: **Give one hundred dinars to so-and-so,** as I owe it to him, **and** subsequently **the orphans said: We repaid** him the money, **they are not deemed credible.**


###### Bava Batra 175a:6
[Bava Batra 175a:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/175a:6)

כְּלַפֵּי לְיָיא? אִיפְּכָא מִסְתַּבְּרָא! אָמַר ״תְּנוּ מָנֶה״ – כֵּיוָן דְּפַסְקַהּ אֲבוּהוֹן לְמִילְּתָא, אִיכָּא לְמֵימַר דְּפַרְעֵיהּ. ״מָנֶה לִפְלוֹנִי בְּיָדִי״ – כֵּיוָן דְּלָא פְּסַק אֲבוּהוֹן לְמִילְּתָא, אִיכָּא לְמֵימַר דְּלָא פַּרְעֵיהּ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara objects: **Isn’t it the opposite [*kelappei layya*]? The opposite is** more **reasonable.** If the father **says: Give one hundred dinars** to so-and-so, **since their father stated the matter assertively,** as he gave an explicit directive, **it could be said that** the heirs **repaid** the money. But if he said: **So-and-so has one hundred dinars in my possession, since** the orphans’ **father did not state the matter assertively, it could be said that** the heirs **did not repay** the creditor.


###### Bava Batra 175a:7
[Bava Batra 175a:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/175a:7)

אֶלָּא אִי אִיתְּמַר, הָכִי אִיתְּמַר: שְׁכִיב מְרַע שֶׁאָמַר ״מָנֶה לִפְלוֹנִי בְּיָדִי״, וְאָמְרוּ יְתוֹמִין: ״חָזַר וְאָמַר לָנוּ אַבָּא: פָּרַעְתִּי״ – נֶאֱמָנִין. מַאי טַעְמָא? אִדְּכוֹרֵי מִידְּכַר. ״תְּנוּ מָנֶה לִפְלוֹנִי״, וְאָמְרוּ יְתוֹמִין: ״חָזַר וְאָמַר אַבָּא: פָּרַעְתִּי״ – אֵין נֶאֱמָנִין. דְּאִם אִיתָא דְּפַרְעֵיהּ, לָא הֲוָה אָמַר ״תְּנוּ״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara reformulates Rabba’s statement: **Rather, if** Rabba’s statement **was stated, it was stated as follows:** In a case of **a person on his deathbed who says: So-and-so has one hundred dinars in my possession, and the orphans** subsequently **said:** After his admission, **Father retracted** his words **and said to us: I repaid** the debt, **they are deemed credible. What is the reason** for this? At first the father had forgotten, but subsequently **he remembered** repaying the debt. But if the father says assertively: **Give one hundred dinars to so-and-so, and the orphans** subsequently **said:** Afterward **Father retracted** his words **and said: I repaid** the debt, **they are not deemed credible.** The reason is **that if it is so that** the father **repaid** the debt or was uncertain about the matter, **he would not say** with such assertiveness: **Give** the money to him.


###### Bava Batra 175a:8
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בָּעֵי רָבָא: שְׁכִיב מְרַע שֶׁהוֹדָה, מַהוּ? צָרִיךְ לוֹמַר ״אַתֶּם עֵדַי״, אוֹ אֵין צָרִיךְ לוֹמַר ״אַתֶּם עֵדַי״? צָרִיךְ שֶׁיֹּאמַר ״כְּתוֹבוּ״ אוֹ אֵין צָרִיךְ לוֹמַר ״כְּתוֹבוּ״? אָדָם מְשַׁטֶּה בִּשְׁעַת מִיתָה, אוֹ אֵין אָדָם מְשַׁטֶּה בִּשְׁעַת מִיתָה?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rava raises a dilemma:** With regard to **a person on his deathbed who,** upon hearing someone’s monetary claim against him, **admitted** owing the money to him, **what is** the *halakha*? Is it **required** for him **to say** to two people: **You are my witnesses,** as is usually necessary in order to prove that an admission is stated in earnest and not in jest? **Or** is it perhaps **not required** for him **to say: You are my witnesses,** since he is a person on his deathbed, whose instructions are generally binding? Is it **required that he say** to two people: **Write** my admission in a document, as is usually required, **or** is it **not required** for him **to say: Write** my admission in a document? The issue in question here is: Does **a person** sometimes **jest at the time of death,** i.e., while on his deathbed, **or** can it be assumed that **a person** does **not jest at the time of death?**


###### Bava Batra 175a:9
[Bava Batra 175a:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/175a:9)

בָּתַר דְּבַעְיָא, הֲדַר פַּשְׁטַהּ – אֵין אָדָם מְשַׁטֶּה בִּשְׁעַת מִיתָה, וְדִבְרֵי שְׁכִיב מְרַע כִּכְתוּבִין וְכִמְסוּרִין דָּמוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**After** Rava **raised the dilemma, he then resolved it,** and ruled: **A person** does **not jest at the time of death, and** therefore **the statements of a person on his deathbed are considered as** if they were **written** in a document **and transmitted** to the relevant party.


###### Bava Batra 175a:10
[Bava Batra 175a:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/175a:10)

**מַתְנִי׳** הַמַּלְוֶה אֶת חֲבֵירוֹ בִּשְׁטָר – גּוֹבֶה מִנְּכָסִים מְשׁוּעְבָּדִים. עַל יְדֵי עֵדִים – גּוֹבִין מִנְּכָסִים בְּנֵי חוֹרִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**MISHNA:** **One who lends** money **to another by means of** a promissory **note can collect** the debt **from liened property** that had been sold to others by the debtor after the loan was granted. One who lends money **by means of witnesses,** without recording the loan in a promissory note, **can collect** the debt only **from unsold property.**