## Bava Batra Daf 86a

###### Bava Batra 86a:1
[Bava Batra 86a:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/86a:1)

פֵּירְקָן וְהִכְנִיסָן לְתוֹךְ בֵּיתוֹ; פָּסַק עַד שֶׁלֹּא מָדַד – אֵין שְׁנֵיהֶן יְכוֹלִין לַחֲזוֹר בָּהֶן, מָדַד עַד שֶׁלֹּא פָּסַק – שְׁנֵיהֶן יְכוֹלִין לַחֲזוֹר בָּהֶן. וּמִדְּכִלְיוֹ דְמוֹכֵר בִּרְשׁוּת לוֹקֵחַ – לֹא קָנָה, כִּלְיוֹ דְלוֹקֵחַ נָמֵי – בִּרְשׁוּת מוֹכֵר לֹא קָנָה!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
But in a case where **he unloaded** the merchandise from them **and brought it into his house,** if **he fixed** a price **before he measured** the merchandise, **both** parties **are no** longer **able to renege on** the sale. If **he measured** the merchandise **before fixing** a price, **both of them are able to renege on** the sale. The Gemara comments: **And from** the fact **that the vessels of the seller** when **in the domain of** the **buyer do not effect acquisition** of the merchandise for the seller, i.e., they do not prevent the buyer from acquiring the merchandise, one can derive that **the vessels of the buyer in the domain of** the **seller do not effect acquisition** of the merchandise on his behalf **as well.**


###### Bava Batra 86a:2
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אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן בַּר יִצְחָק: בְּשֶׁשְּׁפָכָן. אִיקְּפַד רָבָא – מִידֵּי ״שְׁפָכָן״ קָתָנֵי?! ״פֵּירְקָן״ קָתָנֵי! אֶלָּא אָמַר מָר בַּר רַב אָשֵׁי: בִּמְתַאכְּלֵי דְתוּמֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said:** The merchandise was not placed in the domain of the buyer in vessels belonging to the seller. Rather, the *baraita* is referring to a case **where he emptied** the vessels onto the ground. Conversely, if the merchandise remains in the seller’s vessels, the buyer does not acquire it. **Rava became angry** with Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak at his rejection of Rava’s proof, and retorted: **Does** the *baraita* **teach: He emptied them?** No; **it teaches: He unloaded them,** i.e., he kept the goods in vessels belonging to the seller. **Rather, Mar bar Rav Ashi says:** This proof can be rejected by means of a different interpretation, as the *halakha* of the *baraita* does not refer to vessels full of goods but is stated **with regard to bundles of garlic** that were tied together. Therefore, they are unloaded straight onto the floor in the buyer’s domain.


###### Bava Batra 86a:3
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּמָר זוּטְרָא לְרָבִינָא: מִכְּדֵי ״פֵּירְקָן״ קָתָנֵי; מָה לִי פָּסַק וּמָה לִי לֹא פָּסַק? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: פָּסַק – סָמְכָא דַּעְתֵּיהּ, לֹא פָּסַק – לָא סָמְכָא דַּעְתֵּיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
With regard to the matter itself, **Huna, son of Mar Zutra, said to Ravina: Since** the *baraita* **teaches: He unloaded them,** which indicates that unloading the merchandise constitutes the act of acquisition, **what** difference is there **to me** if **he fixed** a price, **and what** difference is there **to me** if **he did not fix** a price? Ravina **said to him:** If **he fixed** a price **he has made up his mind** to sell, and therefore the transaction can take place. If **he did not fix** a price, **he has not made up his mind** to sell and the transaction does not occur. In any event, no convincing proof has been found with regard to the *halakha* in a case where the vessels of the buyer are in the domain of the seller.


###### Bava Batra 86a:4
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ רָבִינָא לְרַב אָשֵׁי: תָּא שְׁמַע, דְּרַב וּשְׁמוּאֵל דְּאָמְרִי תַּרְוַיְיהוּ: כִּלְיוֹ שֶׁל אָדָם קוֹנֶה לוֹ בְּכׇל מָקוֹם. לְאֵתוֹיֵי מַאי? לָאו לְאֵתוֹיֵי רְשׁוּת מוֹכֵר? הָתָם, דְּאָמַר לֵיהּ: זִיל קְנִי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Ravina said to Rav Ashi: Come** and **hear** a resolution, **as Rav and Shmuel both say: A person’s vessel effects acquisition for him** of any item placed inside it, **in any place** that it is situated. **What is added** by the phrase: In any place? Does it **not** serve **to add** the **domain of the seller?** Rav Ashi answered: **There,** it is referring to a specific case, **where** the seller **said to him: Go** and **acquire** it. In that situation, the buyer does acquire the merchandise. This does not refer to a standard case where the buyer’s vessels are located in the domain of the seller.


###### Bava Batra 86a:5
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תְּנַן הָתָם: נְכָסִים שֶׁיֵּשׁ לָהֶן אַחְרָיוּת – נִקְנִין בְּכֶסֶף וּבִשְׁטָר וּבַחֲזָקָה, וְשֶׁאֵין לָהֶן אַחְרָיוּת – אֵין נִקְנִין אֶלָּא בִּמְשִׁיכָה. בְּסוּרָא מַתְנוּ לַהּ לְהָא שְׁמַעְתָּא מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרַב חִסְדָּא; בְּפוּמְבְּדִיתָא מַתְנוּ לַהּ מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרַב כָּהֲנָא, וְאָמְרִי לַהּ מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרָבָא: לֹא שָׁנוּ אֶלָּא דְּבָרִים שֶׁאֵין דַּרְכָּן לְהַגְבִּיהַּ, אֲבָל דְּבָרִים שֶׁדַּרְכָּן לְהַגְבִּיהַּ – בְּהַגְבָּהָה אִין, בִּמְשִׁיכָה לָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **We learned** in a mishna **elsewhere** (*Kiddushin* 26a): **Property that is guaranteed,** i.e., land, **is acquired by** means of **money, or by** means of **a bill, or by taking possession** of it. **And** property **that does not have a guarantee,** i.e., movable property, **can be acquired only by** means of **pulling. In Sura they taught this** following ***halakha* in the name of Rav Ḥisda,** while **in Pumbedita they taught it in the name of Rav Kahana, and some say in the name of Rava: They taught** that movable property is acquired by means of pulling **only** with regard to **items that are not typically lifted** due to their weight or for some other reason. **But** in the case of **items that are typically lifted,** then **yes,** they are acquired **by** means of **lifting,** but they are **not** acquired **by** means of **pulling.**


###### Bava Batra 86a:6
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יְתֵיב אַבָּיֵי וְקָאָמַר לְהָא שְׁמַעְתָּא; אֵיתִיבֵיהּ רַב אַדָּא בַּר מַתְנָה לְאַבָּיֵי: הַגּוֹנֵב כִּיס בְּשַׁבָּת – חַיָּיב, שֶׁכְּבָר נִתְחַיֵּיב בִּגְנֵיבָה קוֹדֶם שֶׁיָּבֹא לִידֵי אִיסּוּר שַׁבָּת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Abaye sat and related this *halakha*. Rav Adda bar Mattana raised an objection to Abaye** from a *baraita*: **One who steals a purse on Shabbat** is **liable** for theft. Based on the principle that one who is liable to receive two punishments receives only the greater of the two, in this case one might think that he should be exempt from paying for the theft, as the performance of a prohibited labor on Shabbat is punishable by death. The reason he is liable in this case, in apparent contradiction to that principle, is **that he already became liable for** the **theft** as soon as he lifted the purse. This occurred **before he came to** violate **the prohibition** of performing prohibited labor on **Shabbat** by carrying the purse into the public domain.


###### Bava Batra 86a:7
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הָיָה מְגָרֵר וְיוֹצֵא מְגָרֵר וְיוֹצֵא – פָּטוּר, שֶׁהֲרֵי אִיסּוּר שַׁבָּת וּגְנֵיבָה בָּאִין כְּאֶחָד.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The *baraita* continues: If he did not lift the purse but **was dragging** it on the ground **and exiting** the private domain, continuously **dragging and exiting,** he is **exempt, as the prohibition** of performing labor on **Shabbat and** the prohibition of **theft** are violated **simultaneously** the moment he drags the purse out of the owner’s property into the public domain. Therefore, he receives only the greater punishment, death, for carrying on Shabbat.


###### Bava Batra 86a:8
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וַהֲרֵי כִּיס – דְּבַר הַגְבָּהָה הוּא, וַאֲפִילּוּ הָכִי קָנֵי בִּמְשִׁיכָה! אֲמַר לֵיהּ: בְּמִיתְנָא. אֲנָא נָמֵי בְּמִיתְנָא קָא אָמֵינָא! אֲמַר לֵיהּ: בְּמִידֵּי דְּבָעֵי מִיתְנָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Rav Adda bar Mattana explains his objection: **But a purse is an item that can be lifted, and even so** it is apparent from the *baraita* that one **acquires** it **by** means of **pulling.** How then can it be stated that items that are typically lifted are not acquired by pulling? Abaye **said to him:** The *baraita* is referring to a case where the thief pulled the purse **with a rope.** Rav Adda bar Mattana thought that Abaye meant that the thief happened to drag it with a rope, and he responded: **I also state** my question even in a case where he pulled the purse **with a rope,** as it is still evident that one can acquire the purse by means of pulling instead of lifting. Abaye **said to him:** I meant that the *baraita* is referring to **an item that requires a rope.** It is a purse that is so large that it cannot be lifted and must be pulled, therefore it is acquired by means of pulling.


###### Bava Batra 86a:9
[Bava Batra 86a:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Batra/r/86a:9)

תָּא שְׁמַע: בִּרְשׁוּת מוֹכֵר – לֹא קָנָה עַד שֶׁיַּגְבִּיהֶנָּה, אוֹ עַד שֶׁיּוֹצִיאֶנָּה מֵרְשׁוּתוֹ. אַלְמָא, מִידֵּי דְּבַר הַגְבָּהָה – אִי בָּעֵי בְּהַגְבָּהָה קָנֵי לֵיהּ, וְאִי בָּעֵי בִּמְשִׁיכָה קָנֵי לֵיהּ! אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן בַּר יִצְחָק: לִצְדָדִין קָתָנֵי – מִידֵּי דְּבַר הַגְבָּהָה, בְּהַגְבָּהָה; מִידֵּי דְּבַר מְשִׁיכָה, בִּמְשִׁיכָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara raises another objection. **Come** and **hear:** If the merchandise is **in the domain of** the **seller,** the buyer **does not acquire** the merchandise **until he lifts it or until he removes it from the domain** of the seller. **Apparently,** with regard to **an item that can be lifted, if he** so **desires he acquires it by lifting, and if he** so **desires he acquires it by pulling. Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said:** This is not a proof, as it can be explained that the *tanna* **teaches it disjunctively,** i.e., the two options are referring to two different cases: In the case of **an item that can be lifted,** he acquires it **by lifting,** whereas with regard to regard to **an item that can be pulled,** he acquires it **by pulling.**