## Bava Metzia Daf 115b

###### Bava Metzia 115b:1
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לִשְׁאָר דְּבָרִים הוּא דַּאֲתָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**it comes to** teach **about** the prohibition **against** taking as collateral **other items** used in the preparation of food.


###### Bava Metzia 115b:2
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לֵימָא אַבָּיֵי וְרָבָא, בִּפְלוּגְתָּא דְּרַב הוּנָא וְרַב יְהוּדָה קָמִיפַּלְגִי?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara suggests: **Shall we say** that **Abaye and Rava,** in another dispute, **disagree with regard to** the issue that is the subject of this **dispute between Rav Huna and Rav Yehuda** concerning the collateral? The Torah commands with regard to the preparation of the Paschal offering: “Do not eat of it raw, nor cooked in water, but roasted with fire, its head with its legs and with the innards thereof” (Exodus 12:9). Abaye and Rava engage in a dispute concerning the case of one who ate the meat when it was not properly roasted.


###### Bava Metzia 115b:3
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דְּאָמַר רָבָא: אָכַל נָא – לוֹקֶה שְׁתַּיִם: מִשּׁוּם ״נָא״, וּמִשּׁוּם ״כִּי אִם צְלִי אֵשׁ״. מְבוּשָּׁל – לוֹקֶה שְׁתַּיִם: מִשּׁוּם ״מְבוּשָּׁל״, וּמִשּׁוּם ״כִּי אִם צְלִי אֵשׁ״. נָא וּמְבוּשָּׁל – לוֹקֶה שָׁלֹשׁ: מִשּׁוּם ״נָא״, וּמִשּׁוּם ״מְבוּשָּׁל״, וּמִשּׁוּם ״לֹא תֹּאכְלֶנּוּ כִּי אִם צְלִי אֵשׁ״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**As Rava says:** If he **ate** an olive-bulk of it **raw,** he **is flogged** with **two** sets of lashes. One set of lashes is **due to** the prohibition: “Do not eat of it **raw,” and** the other is **due to** the prohibition: **“But roasted with fire.”** If he ate an olive-bulk of a Paschal offering that had been **cooked,** he also **is flogged** with **two** sets of lashes: One set of lashes is **due to** the prohibition against it being **cooked** in water, **and** the second is **due to** the injunction: **“But roasted with fire.”** If he ate an olive-bulk of both **raw** meat **and cooked** meat, he **is flogged** with **three** sets of lashes: One set of lashes is **due to** the prohibition against it being **raw, and** the second is **due to** the prohibition against it being **cooked, and** the third is **due to** the prohibition: **“Do not eat of it…but roasted with fire.”**


###### Bava Metzia 115b:4
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אַבָּיֵי אָמַר: אֵין לוֹקִין עַל לָאו שֶׁבִּכְלָלוֹת. לֵימָא אַבָּיֵי דְּאָמַר כְּרַב יְהוּדָה, וְרָבָא דְּאָמַר כְּרַב הוּנָא?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Conversely, **Abaye says:** The prohibition “Do not eat of it…but roasted with fire” is not referring exclusively to this issue, but includes many cases, and one **is not flogged for** violating **a general prohibition.** In this case, Abaye and Rava apparently disagree over the same matter as do Rav Huna and Rav Yehuda. **Shall we say that Abaye states** his opinion **in accordance with** the opinion of **Rav Yehuda, and Rava states** his opinion **in accordance with** the opinion of **Rav Huna?**


###### Bava Metzia 115b:5
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אָמַר לָךְ רָבָא: אֲנָא דַּאֲמַרִי אֲפִילּוּ כְּרַב יְהוּדָה, עַד כָּאן לָא קָאָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה הָתָם, אֶלָּא דְּ״כִי נֶפֶשׁ הוּא חֹבֵל״ לָא מַשְׁמַע רֵיחַיִם וָרֶכֶב, הִלְכָּךְ לִשְׁאָר דְּבָרִים הוּא דַּאֲתָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara responds: **Rava** could have **said to you: I state** my opinion **even in accordance with** the opinion of **Rav Yehuda,** as there is a difference between the two cases: **Rav Yehuda states** his opinion **only there,** with regard to collateral, **because** the phrase: **“For he takes a man’s life as collateral”** (Deuteronomy 24:6), **does not** itself **indicate** that the verse is referring to **the lower and upper millstones.** Rather, it is a general statement, and **therefore it comes to** teach **about** the prohibition **against** taking as collateral **other items** used in the preparation of food, not to add a prohibition to take as collateral the lower and upper millstones.


###### Bava Metzia 115b:6
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אֲבָל הָכָא ״כִּי אִם צְלִי אֵשׁ״ לְמַאי אֲתָא? שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ לְלָאו.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**But here,** the phrase **“but roasted with fire” comes for what** purpose? It excludes only raw or cooked meat, which were already mentioned. Therefore, **learn from** it that it comes **to** include another **prohibition** in addition to those specific directives referring to raw and cooked meat.


###### Bava Metzia 115b:7
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וְאַבָּיֵי אָמַר לָךְ: אֲנָא דַּאֲמַרִי אֲפִילּוּ לְרַב הוּנָא: עַד כָּאן לָא קָאָמַר רַב הוּנָא הָתָם, אֶלָּא דְּ״כִי נֶפֶשׁ הוּא חֹבֵל״

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And Abaye** could have **said to you: I state** my opinion **even in accordance with** the opinion of **Rav Huna.** This is because **Rav Huna states** his opinion **only there,** with regard to collateral, **because** the prohibition **“For he takes a man’s life as collateral”**