## Bava Metzia Daf 13b

###### Bava Metzia 13b:1
[Bava Metzia 13b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Metzia/r/13b:1)

דְּאָמַר לֹא הָיוּ דְבָרִים מֵעוֹלָם.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
the one **who says** that these **matters,** the loan, **never happened** and that the promissory note is forged. Therefore, he has no claim to the paper on which the promissory note is written.


###### Bava Metzia 13b:2
[Bava Metzia 13b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Metzia/r/13b:2)

אָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר: מַחְלוֹקֶת בְּשֶׁאֵין חַיָּיב מוֹדֶה. דְּרַבִּי מֵאִיר סָבַר: שְׁטָר שֶׁאֵין בּוֹ אַחְרָיוּת נְכָסִים – אֵינוֹ גּוֹבֶה לָא מִמְּשַׁעְבְּדִי וְלָא מִבְּנֵי חָרֵי. וְרַבָּנַן סָבְרִי: מִמְּשַׁעְבְּדִי הוּא דְּלָא גָּבֵי, מִבְּנֵי חָרֵי – מִגְבָּא גָּבֵי. אֲבָל כְּשֶׁחַיָּיב מוֹדֶה – דִּבְרֵי הַכֹּל יַחְזִיר, וְלָא חָיְישִׁינַן לְפֵרָעוֹן וְלִקְנוּנְיָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rabbi Elazar says:** The **dispute** in the mishna between Rabbi Meir and the Rabbis is **in** a case **when** the purported **liable party does not admit** to the debt. **As, Rabbi Meir holds** that **with** a promissory **note that does not include a property guarantee,** one **can collect** a debt **neither from liened** property that has been sold **nor from unsold** property. **And the Rabbis hold** that **it is** only **from liened** property **that one cannot collect** a debt using this promissory note but that one **does collect** a debt **from unsold** property. **But** in a case **when** the **liable party admits** to the debt, **everyone agrees** that the finder **must return** the promissory note, **and we do not suspect** the creditor and the debtor of engaging in **repayment and collusion [*veliknuneya*]** to the detriment of one who purchased land from the debtor.


###### Bava Metzia 13b:3
[Bava Metzia 13b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Metzia/r/13b:3)

וְרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן אָמַר: מַחְלוֹקֶת כְּשֶׁחַיָּיב מוֹדֶה, דְּרַבִּי מֵאִיר סָבַר: שְׁטָר שֶׁאֵין בּוֹ אַחְרָיוּת נְכָסִים – מִמְּשַׁעְבְּדִי הוּא דְּלָא גָּבֵי, אֲבָל מִבְּנֵי חָרֵי – מִגְבָּא גָּבֵי. וְרַבָּנַן סָבְרִי: מִמְּשַׁעְבְּדֵי נָמֵי גָּבֵי. אֲבָל כְּשֶׁאֵין חַיָּיב מוֹדֶה – דִּבְרֵי הַכֹּל לֹא יַחְזִיר, דְּחָיְישִׁינַן לְפֵרָעוֹן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And Rabbi Yoḥanan says:** The **dispute** is in a case **when** the **liable party admits** to the debt. **As, Rabbi Meir holds** that **it is** only **from liened** property **that one cannot collect** a debt using a promissory **note that does not include a property guarantee, but** one **does collect** a debt **from unsold** property. **And the Rabbis hold** that one **collects** a debt **from liened** property **too. But** in a case **when the liable party does not admit** to the debt, **everyone agrees** that the finder **may not return** the promissory note, **as we suspect** that perhaps there was **repayment.**


###### Bava Metzia 13b:4
[Bava Metzia 13b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Metzia/r/13b:4)

תַּנְיָא כְּווֹתֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן, וּתְיוּבְתָּא דְּרַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בַּחֲדָא, וּתְיוּבְתָּא דִשְׁמוּאֵל בְּתַרְתֵּי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
It **is taught** in a *baraita* **in accordance with** the opinion **of Rabbi Yoḥanan, and** from it there is also **a conclusive refutation of one** element of the opinion **of Rabbi Elazar and a conclusive refutation of two** elements of the opinion **of Shmuel.**


###### Bava Metzia 13b:5
[Bava Metzia 13b:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Metzia/r/13b:5)

מָצָא שִׁטְרֵי חוֹב וְיֵשׁ בָּהֶם אַחְרָיוּת נְכָסִים, אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁשְּׁנֵיהֶם מוֹדִים – לֹא יַחְזִיר לֹא לָזֶה וְלֹא לָזֶה. אֵין בָּהֶן אַחְרָיוּת נְכָסִים, בִּזְמַן שֶׁהַלֹּוֶה מוֹדֶה – יַחְזִיר לַמַּלְוֶה, אֵין הַלֹּוֶה מוֹדֶה – לֹא יַחְזִיר לֹא לָזֶה וְלֹא לָזֶה, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי מֵאִיר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The *baraita* teaches: In a case where one **found promissory notes and they include a property guarantee, even if both** the creditor and the debtor **agree** about the existence of the debt, the finder **should not return** it **to this** creditor **or to that** debtor. If **they do not include a property guarantee,** then in a case **when the debtor admits** to the debt, **one should return** the promissory note to the creditor. But if **the debtor does not admit** to the debt, **one should not return** it **to this** creditor **or to that** debtor. This is **the statement of Rabbi Meir.**


###### Bava Metzia 13b:6
[Bava Metzia 13b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Metzia/r/13b:6)

שֶׁהָיָה רַבִּי מֵאִיר אוֹמֵר: שְׁטָרי שֶׁיֵּשׁ (בָּהֶם) [בּוֹ] אַחְרָיוּת נְכָסִים, גּוֹבֶה מִנְּכָסִים מְשׁוּעְבָּדִים. וְשֶׁאֵין (בָּהֶם) [בּוֹ] אַחְרָיוּת נְכָסִים, גּוֹבֶה מִנְּכָסִים בְּנֵי חוֹרִין. וַחֲכָמִים אוֹמְרִים: אֶחָד זֶה וְאֶחָד זֶה גּוֹבֶה מִנְּכָסִים מְשׁוּעְבָּדִים.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The *baraita* continues: **As Rabbi Meir would say:** With promissory **notes that include a property guarantee, one can collect** the debt **from liened property; but** with those **that do not include a property guarantee,** one **collects** the debt only **from unsold property. And the Rabbis say:** With **both this** type **and that** type of promissory note, **one can collect** the debt **from liened property.**


###### Bava Metzia 13b:7
[Bava Metzia 13b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Metzia/r/13b:7)

תְּיוּבְתָּא דְּרַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בַּחֲדָא, דְּאָמַר: לְרַבִּי מֵאִיר שְׁטָר שֶׁאֵין בּוֹ אַחְרָיוּת נְכָסִים – אֵינוֹ גּוֹבֶה מִנְּכָסִים מְשׁוּעְבָּדִים וְלֹא מִנְּכָסִים בְּנֵי חוֹרִין. וְקָאָמַר: בֵּין לְרַבִּי מֵאִיר בֵּין לְרַבָּנַן לָא חָיְישִׁינַן לִקְנוּנְיָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
This is **a conclusive refutation** of **one** element **of** the opinion **of Rabbi Elazar, who says** that **according to Rabbi Meir, with** a promissory **note that does not include a property guarantee** one **can collect** a debt **neither from liened** property that has been sold **nor from unsold** property. **And** Rabbi Elazar also **says** that **according to both Rabbi Meir and the Rabbis, we do not suspect** that there is **collusion** between the debtor and the creditor.


###### Bava Metzia 13b:8
[Bava Metzia 13b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Metzia/r/13b:8)

וּבָרָיְיתָא קָתָנֵי: שְׁטָר שֶׁאֵין בּוֹ אַחְרָיוּת נְכָסִים – מִמְּשַׁעְבְּדִי הוּא דְּלָא גָּבֵי, הָא מִבְּנֵי חוֹרִין מִגְבָּא גָּבֵי. וְקָתָנֵי: בֵּין לְרַבִּי מֵאִיר בֵּין לְרַבָּנַן, חָיְישִׁינַן לִקְנוּנְיָא. דְּקָתָנֵי: אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁשְּׁנֵיהֶם מוֹדִים לֹא יַחְזִיר לֹא לָזֶה וְלֹא לָזֶה. אַלְמָא חָיְישִׁינַן לִקְנוּנְיָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And** the ***baraita* teaches** that with a promissory **note that does not include a property guarantee** the creditor **cannot collect** a debt **from liened** property, **but he can collect** it **from unsold** property. **And** the *baraita* also **teaches** that **according to** the opinions of **both Rabbi Meir and the Rabbis, we suspect** that there is **collusion** between the debtor and the creditor, **as it is taught** that if one found promissory notes that include a property guarantee, **even if both** the creditor and the debtor **agree** about the existence of the debt, the finder **should not return** it **to this** creditor **or to that** debtor. **Apparently, we suspect collusion.** This refutes Rabbi Elazar’s opinion that there is no suspicion of collusion.


###### Bava Metzia 13b:9
[Bava Metzia 13b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Bava%20Metzia/r/13b:9)

וְהָא הָנֵי תַּרְתֵּי הוּא?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **But aren’t these two** elements of Rabbi Elazar’s statement that are refuted by the *baraita*? Why was it stated above that only one element is refuted?