## Beitzah Daf 5b

###### Beitzah 5b:1
[Beitzah 5b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Beitzah/r/5b:1)

וּבִקֵּשׁ לְהַפְקִירוֹ לַעֲנִיִּים. אָמְרוּ לוֹ תַּלְמִידָיו: רַבִּי, כְּבָר נִמְנוּ עָלֶיךָ חֲבֵרֶיךָ וְהִתִּירוּהוּ. מַאן חֲבֵרֶיךָ — רַבָּן יוֹחָנָן בֶּן זַכַּאי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**and he sought to render** the fruit **ownerless** in favor **of the poor,** for whom it would be worth the effort to bring the fruit to Jerusalem. **His students said to him: Rabbi,** there is no need to do so, as **your colleagues have already voted** for **you and permitted it.** The members of the Sanhedrin have already taken a vote and permitted the redemption of the fruit of a fourth-year grapevine even near Jerusalem. The reason is that after the destruction of the Temple there is no need to adorn the markets of Jerusalem. The Gemara explains: **Who are: Your colleagues?** This is referring to **Rabban Yoḥanan ben Zakkai.**


###### Beitzah 5b:2
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טַעְמָא דְּנִמְנוּ. הָא לָא נִמְנוּ — לֹא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara infers from the *baraita*: **The reason is that they** explicitly **voted** to annul the decree, which indicates that if **they had not voted,** the ordinance would **not** have lapsed on its own, despite the fact that its justification was no longer applicable. Similarly, the prohibition of a laid egg is not nullified, as it was never explicitly permitted.


###### Beitzah 5b:3
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מַאי ״וְאוֹמֵר״? הָכִי קָאָמַר, מִכְּדֵי כְּתִיב ״הֱיוּ נְכוֹנִים לִשְׁלֹשֶׁת יָמִים אַל תִּגְּשׁוּ אֶל אִשָּׁה״, ״לֵךְ אֱמוֹר לָהֶם שׁוּבוּ לָכֶם לְאׇהֳלֵיכֶם״ לְמָה לִי? שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ כׇּל דָּבָר שֶׁבְּמִנְיָן — צָרִיךְ מִנְיָן אַחֵר לְהַתִּירוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara seeks to clarify why Rav Yosef cited two verses as proof. The Gemara asks: **What is** the reason for: **And it says?** Why does Rav Yosef find it necessary to quote a second verse? The Gemara explains that **this is** what he **is saying. Now since it is written: “Be ready for the third day, do not come near a woman”** (Exodus 19:15), **why do I** need the verse **“Go, say to them: Return to your tents”** (Deuteronomy 5:26)? After three days the prohibition would lapse in any case. **Conclude from this** that **any matter** established by **a vote requires another vote to permit it.**


###### Beitzah 5b:4
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וְכִי תֵּימָא: לְמִצְוַת עוֹנָה הוּא דַּאֲתָא. תָּא שְׁמַע: ״בִּמְשֹׁךְ הַיֹּבֵל הֵמָּה יַעֲלוּ בָהָר״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And if you say** an alternative explanation, that the instruction to “return to your tents” was not given to permit the men to return home to their wives, but rather **it came** as a special command **to** fulfill **the mitzva of conjugal rights,** i.e., the obligation of a man to engage in periodic marital relations with his wife, then it was to refute this possibility that Rav Yosef continued: **Come** and **hear** a different proof from another verse: **“When the ram’s horn sounds long, they may come up to the mount”** (Exodus 19:13).


###### Beitzah 5b:5
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מִכְּדֵי כְּתִיב: ״גַּם הַצֹּאן וְהַבָּקָר אַל יִרְעוּ אֶל מוּל הָהָר הַהוּא״, ״בִּמְשֹׁךְ הַיֹבֵל״ לְמָה לִי? שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ: דָּבָר שֶׁבְּמִנְיָן — צָרִיךְ מִנְיָן אַחֵר לְהַתִּירוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Now since it is written: “Neither shall the flocks nor the herds feed before that mount”** (Exodus 34:3), this indicates that the prohibition applies only when the Divine Presence is revealed on the mountain, and it is permitted immediately afterward. If so, **why do I** need the verse **“When the ram’s horn sounds long”?** Why is a special signal required? **Conclude from this** that **any matter** established by **a vote requires another vote to permit it.**


###### Beitzah 5b:6
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וְכִי תֵּימָא הָנֵי מִילֵּי בִּדְאוֹרָיְיתָא, אֲבָל בִּדְרַבָּנַן לָא — תָּא שְׁמַע כֶּרֶם רְבָעִי, וְהָא כֶּרֶם רְבָעִי דְּרַבָּנַן, וְקָאָמְרִי לֵיהּ: כְּבָר נִמְנוּ עָלֶיךָ חֲבֵרֶיךָ וְהִתִּירוּהוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And if you say: That** statement, that a specific vote is necessary, **applies** only **to** matters prohibited **by Torah law, but** in the case of a matter prohibited **by rabbinic law, no,** this *halakha* does not apply, **come** and **hear** the *baraita* concerning **a fourth-year grapevine.** The *halakha* that the fruit of **a fourth-year grapevine** must be brought to Jerusalem and may not be redeemed is **by rabbinic law, and they** nevertheless **said** to Rabbi Eliezer: **Your colleagues have already voted** for **you and permitted it.** This indicates that without a vote, the prohibition would not be abrogated.


###### Beitzah 5b:7
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וְכִי תֵּימָא: בֵּיצָה נָמֵי, אִמְּנוֹ עֲלַהּ רַבָּן יוֹחָנָן בֶּן זַכַּאי וְשַׁרְיוּהָ. כִּי אִמְּנוֹ — אַעֵדוּת, אַבֵּיצָה לָא אִמְּנוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And if you say:** In the case of the prohibition of **an egg also, Rabban Yoḥanan ben Zakkai took a vote on it and permitted it;** the Gemara answers: **When they took a vote,** it was with regard **to testimony** to determine the start of the month; **they did not take a vote to** annul the prohibition of **an egg.**


###### Beitzah 5b:8
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי: אַטּוּ בֵּיצָה בְּמִנְיָן מִי הֲוַאי? בֵּיצָה בְּעֵדוּת תַּלְיָא מִלְּתָא. אִתְּסַר עֵדוּת — אִתְּסַר בֵּיצָה, אִשְׁתְּרַי עֵדוּת — אִשְׁתְּרַי בֵּיצָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Abaye said to** Rav Yosef: **Is that to say** that **an egg was** prohibited **by a vote?** Did the court take a special vote to render prohibited an egg laid on Rosh HaShana? Isn’t the *halakha* of **an egg dependent on** the matter of **testimony?** When **testimony** in the late afternoon **was prohibited,** the eating of **an egg** laid on Rosh HaShana **was** thereby **prohibited** as well, and when this **testimony was permitted,** the eating of **an egg was** automatically **permitted.** Rav Yosef’s observation is therefore incorrect.


###### Beitzah 5b:9
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רַב אַדָּא וְרַב שַׁלְמָן, תַּרְוַיְיהוּ מִבֵּי כְלוֹחִית, אָמְרִי: אַף מִתַּקָּנַת רַבָּן יוֹחָנָן בֶּן זַכַּאי וְאֵילָךְ בֵּיצָה אֲסוּרָה. מַאי טַעְמָא — מְהֵרָה יִבָּנֶה בֵּית הַמִּקְדָּשׁ, וְיֹאמְרוּ: אֶשְׁתָּקַד מִי לֹא אָכַלְנוּ בֵּיצָה בְּיוֹם טוֹב שֵׁנִי? הַשְׁתָּא נָמֵי נֵיכוֹל. וְלָא יָדְעִי דְּאֶשְׁתָּקַד שְׁתֵּי קְדוּשּׁוֹת הֵן, וְהַשְׁתָּא קְדוּשָּׁה אַחַת הִיא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Adda and Rav Shalman,** who **both** came **from Bei Keloḥit, said: Even from the** time of the **ordinance of Rabban Yoḥanan ben Zakkai and onward, an egg** remains **prohibited. What is the reason? May the Temple speedily be built,** and the ordinance that testimony is accepted only until *minḥa* time will be restored, **and** people **will say: Last year, didn’t we eat an egg** laid on the first day of Rosh HaShana **on** the following day, **the second Festival** day **of** Rosh HaShana? **Now, too, we will eat** it, like last year. **And they will not know** the significant difference in *halakha* between the two cases, as **last year** the two days of Rosh HaShana were **two sanctities, and now they are one** long **sanctity.**


###### Beitzah 5b:10
[Beitzah 5b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Beitzah/r/5b:10)

אִי הָכִי, עֵדוּת נָמֵי לֹא נְקַבֵּל, מַאי טַעְמָא — מְהֵרָה יִבָּנֶה בֵּית הַמִּקְדָּשׁ, וְיֹאמְרוּ: אֶשְׁתָּקַד מִי לֹא קִבַּלְנוּ עֵדוּת הַחֹדֶשׁ כׇּל הַיּוֹם כּוּלּוֹ, הַשְׁתָּא נָמֵי נְקַבֵּל!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara challenges this: **If so,** that this is the concern, **we also should not accept testimony** nowadays. **What is the reason? May the Temple speedily be built, and** the people **will say: Last year, didn’t we accept testimony** to determine the start of **the month all day? Now, too, we will accept** the testimony of witnesses even after *minḥa* time.


###### Beitzah 5b:11
[Beitzah 5b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Beitzah/r/5b:11)

הָכִי הַשְׁתָּא! הָתָם עֵדוּת מְסוּרָה לְבֵית דִּין. בֵּיצָה לַכֹּל מְסוּרָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this challenge: **How can** these cases **be compared? There,** with regard to witnesses, **testimony is entrusted to the court,** and the court is capable of distinguishing between the reasons for decrees. **An egg,** however, is **entrusted to all,** and as not all people will consult a Sage about the status of their eggs, there is a legitimate concern about error.


###### Beitzah 5b:12
[Beitzah 5b:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Beitzah/r/5b:12)

רָבָא אָמַר: אַף מִתַּקָּנַת רַבָּן יוֹחָנָן בֶּן זַכַּאי וְאֵילָךְ בֵּיצָה אֲסוּרָה. מִי לֹא מוֹדֶה רַבָּן יוֹחָנָן בֶּן זַכַּאי שֶׁאִם בָּאוּ עֵדִים מִן הַמִּנְחָה וּלְמַעְלָה, שֶׁנּוֹהֲגִין אוֹתוֹ הַיּוֹם קֹדֶשׁ וּלְמָחָר קֹדֶשׁ?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rava said: Even from the** time of the **ordinance of Rabban Yoḥanan ben Zakkai and onward, an egg** remains **prohibited.** Rava explained his reasoning: **Doesn’t Rabban Yoḥanan ben Zakkai concede that if witnesses came from *minḥa*** time **and onward,** even after the destruction of the Temple, **then one observes that day** as a **holy** day **and** also **the following day** as a **holy** day? The only difference is that during the time of the Temple any testimony delivered on the first day was not taken into account at all, which meant the second day was considered the first of the new year, whereas during the time of Rabban Yoḥanan ben Zakkai the new year was counted from the first day. As far as the sanctity of the Festival is concerned, however, the second day was also treated as sacred, which proves that when two days were observed in Eretz Yisrael, they were considered a single sanctity rather than two.


###### Beitzah 5b:13
[Beitzah 5b:13](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Beitzah/r/5b:13)

וְאָמַר רָבָא: הִלְכְתָא כְּוָתֵיהּ דְּרַב בְּהָנֵי תְּלָת, בֵּין לְקוּלָּא בֵּין לְחוּמְרָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And Rava said** in summary: **The *halakha* is in accordance with** the opinion of **Rav in these three** cases, **whether** the ruling is **lenient, or whether** the ruling is **stringent.**