## Chullin Daf 19a

###### Chullin 19a:1
[Chullin 19a:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:1)

וְהִלְכְתָא מִשִּׁיפּוּי כּוֹבַע וּלְמַטָּה – כְּשֵׁרָה, וְהַיְינוּ דְּשַׁיַּיר בְּחִיטֵּי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara concludes: **And the *halakha*** is: If one slaughters **from the incline of the thyroid cartilage and below** in the direction of the windpipe, the slaughter is **valid, and that is in** accordance with the opinion **that one who left** part **of the arytenoid cartilage** has still performed a valid slaughter, as the arytenoid cartilage extends beyond this point.


###### Chullin 19a:2
[Chullin 19a:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:2)

רַב נַחְמָן אַכְשַׁר מִשִּׁיפּוּי כּוֹבַע וּלְמַטָּה, אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב חָנָן בַּר רַב קַטִּינָא לְרַב נַחְמָן: כְּמַאן? לָא כְּרַבָּנַן וְלָא כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara relates that **Rav Naḥman deemed** the slaughter **valid** in a case where one slaughtered **from the incline of the thyroid cartilage and below. Rav Ḥanan bar Rav Ketina said to Rav Naḥman: In accordance with whose** opinion is that ruling? It is **neither in accordance with** the opinion of **the Rabbis nor in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda,** who both hold that if one cuts the windpipe above the large upper ring, the cricoid cartilage, the slaughter is not valid.


###### Chullin 19a:3
[Chullin 19a:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:3)

אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנָא לָא חִילָק יָדַעְנָא וְלָא בִּילָק יָדַעְנָא, אֲנָא שְׁמַעְתָּא יָדַעְנָא, דְּאָמַר רַבִּי חִיָּיא בַּר אַבָּא אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן, וְאָמְרִי לַהּ אָמַר רַבִּי אַבָּא בַּר זַבְדָּא אָמַר רַבִּי חֲנִינָא, וְאָמְרִי לָהּ אָמַר רַבִּי יַעֲקֹב בַּר אִידִי אָמַר רַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן לֵוִי: מִשִּׁיפּוּי כּוֹבַע וּלְמַטָּה כְּשֵׁרָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Rav Naḥman **said to him: Neither do I know Ḥillek nor do I know Billek,** i.e., I know the reason neither for this one’s opinion nor for that one’s opinion. **I know the *halakha*, as Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Abba says** that **Rabbi Yoḥanan says, and some say** that **Rabbi Abba bar Zavda says** that **Rabbi Ḥanina says, and some say** that **Rabbi Ya’akov bar Idi says** that **Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi says: From the incline of the thyroid cartilage and below,** the slaughter is **valid.**


###### Chullin 19a:4
[Chullin 19a:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:4)

וְאָמַר רַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן לֵוִי: מוּגְרֶמֶת דְּרַבָּנַן כְּשֵׁרָה לְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara returns to analyzing the *baraita* (18b): In a case where the knife is diverted from the place of slaughter above the ring, the slaughter is not valid. Rabbi Ḥanina ben Antigonus testified about a case where the knife is diverted from the place of slaughter above the ring that the slaughter is valid. **And Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi says:** With regard to a case where the knife was **diverted** according to the opinion **of the Rabbis** cited in the mishna, the slaughter is **valid** according **to** the opinion of **Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda,** who ruled that the slaughter is valid when the majority of the windpipe was cut within the large, upper ring.


###### Chullin 19a:5
[Chullin 19a:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:5)

וּדְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה, כְּשֵׁרָה לְרַבִּי חֲנִינָא בֶּן אַנְטִיגְנוֹס.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And** with regard to a case where the knife was **diverted** according to the opinion **of Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda,** it is **valid** according **to** the opinion of **Rabbi Ḥanina ben Antigonus,** who ruled that even if a majority of the windpipe was cut outside the large upper ring, the slaughter is valid.


###### Chullin 19a:6
[Chullin 19a:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:6)

פְּשִׁיטָא! מַהוּ דְּתֵימָא: רַבִּי חֲנִינָא בֶּן אַנְטִיגְנוֹס אַדְּרַבָּנַן קָאֵי, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara objects: That is **obvious.** The Gemara explains: **Lest you say** that the statement of **Rabbi Ḥanina ben Antigonus,** who ruled that in a case where the knife is diverted from the place of slaughter above the ring it is valid, **addresses** the statement **of the Rabbis** and he agrees with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, that the slaughter is not valid when the majority of the windpipe was cut above the large upper ring, therefore, Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi **teaches us** that this is not the case.


###### Chullin 19a:7
[Chullin 19a:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:7)

וְאֵימָא הָכִי נָמֵי? אִם כֵּן, ״הֵעִיד עָלֶיהָ״ מִיבְּעֵי לֵיהּ. וְהִלְכְתָא כְּרַבִּי חֲנִינָא בֶּן אַנְטִיגְנוֹס, דְּקָאֵי רַב נַחְמָן כְּוָותֵיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara objects: **And say it is indeed so** that Rabbi Ḥanina ben Antigonus agrees with Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda. The Gemara responds: **If so,** the formulation of the *baraita* **should have** been: Rabbi Ḥanina ben Antigonus **testified about it.** Since the opinion of Rabbi Ḥanina ben Antigonus was introduced merely with the term: Testified, apparently he disagrees with all of the other opinions. The Gemara concludes: **And the *halakha* is in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Ḥanina ben Antigonus, as Rav Naḥman holds in accordance with his** opinion.


###### Chullin 19a:8
[Chullin 19a:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:8)

אָמַר רַב הוּנָא אָמַר רַב אַסִּי: מַחְלוֹקֶת בְּשֶׁשָּׁחַט שְׁנֵי שְׁלִישׁ וְהִגְרִים שְׁלִישׁ, דְּרַבָּנַן סָבְרִי: כּוּלַּהּ שְׁחִיטָה בָּעֵינַן בְּטַבַּעַת גְּדוֹלָה, וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה סָבַר: רוּבּוֹ כְּכוּלּוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The mishna cited a dispute between the Rabbis, who hold that in a case where one slaughtered within the large upper ring and did not leave a thread breadth over the entire surface of the ring, the slaughter is not valid, and Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, who holds that even if one left a thread breadth over a majority of the surface of the ring, the slaughter is valid. Apropos to that, **Rav Huna said** that **Rav Asi says:** The **dispute** is only **in** a case **where one cut two-thirds** of the windpipe within the ring **and** then **diverted** the knife upward toward the head of the animal and cut the remaining **one-third, as the Rabbis hold** that **we require the entire slaughter** to be performed **within the large ring, and Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, holds:** The halakhic status of **its majority is like** that of **its entirety.**


###### Chullin 19a:9
[Chullin 19a:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:9)

אֲבָל הִגְרִים שְׁלִישׁ, וְשָׁחַט שְׁנֵי שְׁלִישׁ – דִּבְרֵי הַכֹּל פְּסוּלָה, דְּכִי נָפְקָא חִיּוּתָא בָּעֵינַן רוּבָּא בִּשְׁחִיטָה, וְלֵיכָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**But** if **one diverted** the knife upward toward the head of the animal, cut **one-third** of the windpipe, **and** then **cut two-thirds** within the ring, **everyone agrees** that the slaughter is **not valid, as when the life left** the animal, i.e., when the majority of the windpipe was cut, **we require** that the entire **majority** be cut **by means of slaughter, and that is not** so in this case.


###### Chullin 19a:10
[Chullin 19a:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:10)

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב חִסְדָּא: אַדְּרַבָּה, לֵימָא מָר אִיפְּכָא: מַחְלוֹקֶת כְּשֶׁהִגְרִים שְׁלִישׁ, וְשָׁחַט שְׁנֵי שְׁלִישׁ, דְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה סָבַר מִידֵּי דְּהָוֵה אַחֲצִי קָנֶה פָּגוּם.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ḥisda said to** Rav Huna: **On the contrary, let the Master say the opposite.** The **dispute** is only **in** a case **when one diverted** the knife upward toward the head of the animal, cut **one-third** of the windpipe, **and** then **cut two-thirds** within the ring, **as Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, holds** that the slaughter is valid **just as it is** in the case **where half the windpipe is deficient.** In that case, once the slaughterer cuts any additional part of the windpipe, the slaughter is valid because the cut that rendered a majority of the windpipe slaughtered was performed properly. So too in this case, since the cut of the second third was performed properly, the slaughter is valid.


###### Chullin 19a:11
[Chullin 19a:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:11)

וְרַבָּנַן, הָתָם מָקוֹם שְׁחִיטָה, הָכָא לָאו מְקוֹם שְׁחִיטָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And the Rabbis** hold that **there,** in the case of the deficient windpipe, the deficiency was in **the place of** proper **slaughter,** and therefore most of the life of the animal left in the proper place. **Here,** the first third was cut while the knife was diverted, and therefore most of the life of the animal did **not** leave in **the place of** proper **slaughter.**


###### Chullin 19a:12
[Chullin 19a:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:12)

אֲבָל שָׁחַט שְׁנֵי שְׁלִישׁ, וְהִגְרִים שְׁלִישׁ – דִּבְרֵי הַכֹּל כְּשֵׁרָה, דְּהָא תְּנַן: רוּבּוֹ שֶׁל אֶחָד כָּמוֹהוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**But** in a case where **one cut two-thirds** of the windpipe within the ring **and** then **diverted** the knife and cut the remaining **one-third, everyone agrees** that the slaughter is **valid, as didn’t we learn** in a mishna (27a): The halakhic status of the slaughter of the **majority of one** *siman*, the windpipe or the gullet, **is like** that of the slaughter of the entire *siman* **itself?**


###### Chullin 19a:13
[Chullin 19a:13](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:13)

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב יוֹסֵף: מַאן נֵימָא לַן דְּהָהוּא רוּבָּא דְּהָתָם לָאו רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה קָתָנֵי לַהּ? דִּלְמָא רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה קָתָנֵי לַהּ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Yosef said to** Rav Ḥisda: **Who will say to us that** with regard to the mishna **there** concerning **the majority of** one *siman*, **Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, did not teach it? Perhaps Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, taught it,** and the Rabbis disagree.


###### Chullin 19a:14
[Chullin 19a:14](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:14)

אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי: אַטּוּ כֹּל רוּבֵּי דְּעָלְמָא רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה קָתָנֵי לְהוּ? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנָא רוּבָּא דִּשְׁחִיטָה קָאָמֵינָא, דִּשְׁמַעְנָא לְהוּ דִּפְלִיגִי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Abaye said to** Rav Yosef: **Is that to say** that with regard to **all** principles that address **majorities in general, Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, taught them?** Rav Yosef **said to him: I am speaking of the** principle of **majority with regard to slaughter, as we heard that** the Rabbis **disagree** with him.


###### Chullin 19a:15
[Chullin 19a:15](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:15)

לִישָּׁנָא אַחֲרִינָא אָמְרִי לַהּ, אָמַר רַב הוּנָא אָמַר רַב אַסִּי: מַחְלוֹקֶת שֶׁהִגְרִים שְׁלִישׁ וְשָׁחַט שְׁנֵי שְׁלִישׁ, דְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי בַּר רַבִּי יְהוּדָה סָבַר: מִידֵּי דְּהָוֵה אַחֲצִי קָנֶה פָּגוּם, וְרַבָּנַן – הָתָם מְקוֹם שְׁחִיטָה, הָכָא לָאו מְקוֹם שְׁחִיטָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Some say** that there is **an alternative version** of this discussion: **Rav Huna said** that **Rav Asi says:** The **dispute** is only in a case **where one diverted** the knife upward toward the head of the animal, cut **one-third** of the windpipe, **and** then **cut two-thirds** within the ring, **as Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, holds** that the slaughter is valid **just as it is** in the case **where half the windpipe is deficient, and the Rabbis** hold that **there,** in the case of the deficient windpipe, the deficiency was in **the place of** proper **slaughter,** but **here,** most of the life of the animal did **not** leave in **the place of** proper **slaughter.**


###### Chullin 19a:16
[Chullin 19a:16](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:16)

אֲבָל שָׁחַט שְׁנֵי שְׁלִישׁ, וְהִגְרִים שְׁלִישׁ – דִּבְרֵי הַכֹּל כְּשֵׁרָה, דְּהָא תְּנַן: רוּבּוֹ שֶׁל אֶחָד כָּמוֹהוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**But** in a case where **one cut two-thirds** of the windpipe within the ring **and** then **diverted** the knife and cut the remaining **one-third, everyone agrees** that the slaughter is **valid, as didn’t we learn** in a mishna (27a): The halakhic status of the slaughter of the **majority of one** *siman*, the windpipe or the gullet, **is like** that of the slaughter of the entire *siman* **itself?**


###### Chullin 19a:17
[Chullin 19a:17](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:17)

מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רַב חִסְדָּא: מַאן לֵימָא לַן דְּהָהוּא רוּבָּא דְּהָתָם לָאו רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה קָתָנֵי לַהּ? דִּלְמָא רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה קָתָנֵי לַהּ! אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב יוֹסֵף: אַטּוּ כֹּל רוּבֵּי דְּעָלְמָא רַבִּי יוֹסֵי בְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה קָתָנֵי לְהוּ? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אֲנָא רוּבָּא דִּשְׁחִיטָה קָאָמֵינָא, דִּשְׁמַעְנָא לְהוּ דִּפְלִיגִי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ḥisda objects to this: Who will say to us that** with regard to the mishna **there** concerning **the majority of** one *siman*, **Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, did not teach it? Perhaps Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, taught it,** and the Rabbis disagree. **Rav Yosef said to** Rav Ḥisda: **Is that to say** that with regard to **all** principles that address **majorities in general, Rabbi Yosei, son of Rabbi Yehuda, taught them?** Rav Ḥisda **said to him: I am speaking of the** principle of **majority with regard to slaughter, as we heard that** the Rabbis **disagree** with him.


###### Chullin 19a:18
[Chullin 19a:18](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:18)

הִגְרִים שְׁלִישׁ, וְשָׁחַט שְׁלִישׁ, וְהִגְרִים שְׁלִישׁ – רַב הוּנָא אָמַר רַב: כְּשֵׁרָה, רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב: טְרֵפָה. רַב הוּנָא אָמַר רַב: כְּשֵׁרָה – כִּי נָפְקָא חִיּוּתָא בִּשְׁחִיטָה קָא נָפְקָא. רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב: טְרֵפָה – בָּעֵינַן רוּבָּא בִּשְׁחִיטָה וְלֵיכָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ If **one diverted** the knife and cut **one-third** of the windpipe, **and** then **cut one-third** properly, **and** then **diverted** and cut the final **one-third, Rav Huna** says that **Rav says:** The slaughter is **valid. Rav Yehuda** says that **Rav says:** The animal is **a *tereifa*,** i.e., forbidden. **Rav Huna** says that **Rav says:** The slaughter is **valid,** as **when the life left** the animal, it was **in** the course of a valid **slaughter** that **it left. Rav Yehuda** says that **Rav says:** The animal is **a *tereifa*, as we require a majority** of the windpipe to be cut **with** valid **slaughter, and** that **is not** the case.


###### Chullin 19a:19
[Chullin 19a:19](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:19)

שָׁחַט שְׁלִישׁ, וְהִגְרִים שְׁלִישׁ, וְשָׁחַט שְׁלִישׁ – רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב: כְּשֵׁרָה. אֲתוֹ שַׁיְילוּהּ לְרַב הוּנָא, אֲמַר לְהוּ: טְרֵפָה. שְׁמַע רַב יְהוּדָה אִיקְּפַד, אֲמַר: טָרֵיפְנָא (ומכשר) [מַכְשַׁר], (ומכשרנא) [מַכְשַׁרְנָא] טָרֵיף! אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: שַׁפִּיר קָא מִיקְּפַד, חֲדָא – אִיהוּ שְׁמִיעַ לֵיהּ מִינֵּיהּ דְּרַב, וַאֲנָא לָא שְׁמִיעַ לִי, וְעוֹד – הָאִיכָּא רוּבָּא בִּשְׁחִיטָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
If **one cut one-third** of the windpipe properly, **and** then **diverted** the knife and cut **one-third, and** then **cut** the final **one-third** of the windpipe properly, **Rav Yehuda** says that **Rav said:** The slaughter is **valid.** When the Sages **came and asked Rav Huna, he said to them:** It is **a *tereifa*. Rav Yehuda heard** the ruling of Rav Huna, and **he was angry. He said: I deem** it **a *tereifa* and he deems** the slaughter **valid, and I deem** the slaughter **valid** and **he deems** it **a *tereifa*. Rav Huna said:** It is **proper** that **he was angry. One** reason is that **he heard** it **from Rav and I did not hear** it from Rav; **and furthermore, isn’t there the majority** of the *siman* that was cut **with** valid **slaughter?**


###### Chullin 19a:20
[Chullin 19a:20](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/19a:20)

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב חִסְדָּא: לָא תֶּהְדַּר בָּךְ,

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ḥisda said to** Rav Huna: **Do not retract** your statement,