## Chullin Daf 22b

###### Chullin 22b:1
[Chullin 22b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/22b:1)

וּמָה בְּנֵי יוֹנָה שֶׁלֹּא הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים, תּוֹרִים שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים אֵינוֹ דִּין שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״תּוֹרִים״ – גְּדוֹלִים וְלֹא קְטַנִּים.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**If pigeons, which were not deemed fit when older, were deemed fit when younger,** as the term “young pigeons” indicates that they are young, then with regard to **doves, which were deemed fit when older, isn’t it logical that they were deemed fit when younger?** Therefore, **the verse states: “Doves,”** meaning **older and not younger.**


###### Chullin 22b:2
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״בְּנֵי יוֹנָה״ – קְטַנִּים וְלֹא גְּדוֹלִים, שֶׁיָּכוֹל וַהֲלֹא דִּין הוּא: וּמָה תּוֹרִים שֶׁלֹּא הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים – הוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים, בְּנֵי יוֹנָה שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּקְטַנִּים – אֵינוֹ דִּין שֶׁהוּכְשְׁרוּ בִּגְדוֹלִים? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״בְּנֵי יוֹנָה״ – קְטַנִּים וְלֹא גְּדוֹלִים.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The *baraita* continues: **Young pigeons** must be **younger and not older, as** one **might** have thought: **And couldn’t this** be derived through an *a fortiori* **inference: If doves, which were not deemed fit when younger, were deemed fit when older,** then with regard to **pigeons, which were deemed fit when younger, isn’t it logical that they were deemed fit when older?** Therefore, **the verse states: “Young pigeons,”** meaning **younger and not older.**


###### Chullin 22b:3
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מַאי תַּלְמוּדָא? אָמַר רָבָא: לָא לִישְׁתְּמִיט קְרָא וְלִכְתּוֹב ״מִן בְּנֵי הַתּוֹרִים אוֹ מִן הַיּוֹנָה״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **What is the** biblical **derivation** of these matters? **Rava said:** It is derived from the fact that it is **not** found that **the verse** would **deviate** from the norm **and write: Of young doves, or of pigeons;** rather, the wording in the Torah is always “of doves” or “of young pigeons.” Evidently, doves must be older and pigeons must be younger.


###### Chullin 22b:4
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אֵימָא: בְּנֵי יוֹנָה דִּכְתַב בְּהוּ רַחֲמָנָא ״בְּנֵי״ – קְטַנִּים אִין, גְּדוֹלִים לָא, תּוֹרִים – אִי בָּעֵי גְּדוֹלִים לַיְיתֵי, אִי בָּעֵי קְטַנִּים לַיְיתֵי! דֻּמְיָא דִּבְנֵי יוֹנָה: מָה בְּנֵי יוֹנָה – קְטַנִּים אִין, גְּדוֹלִים לָא, אַף תּוֹרִים – גְּדוֹלִים אִין, קְטַנִּים לָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara objects: **Say** instead that with regard to **pigeons, since the Merciful One writes: “Young,”** this means **younger** birds, **yes, older** birds, **no;** but with regard to **doves, if one wishes, let him bring older** birds, and **if he wishes, let him bring younger** birds. The Gemara responds: Since doves and pigeons are always juxtaposed to one another in the Torah, it is derived that the *halakha* of doves is **similar to** the *halakha* of **pigeons: Just as** with regard to **pigeons** the *halakha* is **younger** birds, **yes, older** birds, **no, so too** with regard to **doves,** the *halakha* is **older** birds, **yes, younger** birds, **no.**


###### Chullin 22b:5
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תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: יָכוֹל יְהוּ כׇּל הַתּוֹרִים וְכׇל בְּנֵי הַיּוֹנָה כְּשֵׁרִים? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״מִן הַתּוֹרִים״ – וְלֹא כׇּל הַתּוֹרִים, ״מִן בְּנֵי הַיּוֹנָה״ – וְלֹא כׇּל בְּנֵי יוֹנָה, פְּרָט לִתְחִילַּת הַצִּיהוּב שֶׁבָּזֶה וְשֶׁבָּזֶה שֶׁפָּסוּל. מֵאֵימָתַי הַתּוֹרִים כְּשֵׁרִים – מִשֶּׁיַּזְהִיבוּ, מֵאֵימָתַי בְּנֵי יוֹנָה פְּסוּלִין – מִשֶּׁיַּצְהִיבוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**The Sages taught** in a *baraita*: One **might** have thought **that all the** older **doves or all the** younger **pigeons would be fit** for sacrifice; therefore, **the verse states: “Of doves,” and not all doves; “of young pigeons,” and not all young pigeons.** This serves to **exclude** birds at **the beginning of the yellowing** of their neck plumage, **which are unfit as this,** doves, **and as that,** pigeons. They are unfit as doves because they are not sufficiently old and as pigeons because they are no longer young. The *tanna* elaborates: **From when are the doves fit?** It is **from when** the color of their feathers **turns a glistening gold. From when are the pigeons unfit?** It is **from when** their feathers **turn yellow.**


###### Chullin 22b:6
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תָּנֵי יַעֲקֹב קָרְחָה: מֵאֵימָתַי בְּנֵי יוֹנָה כְּשֵׁרִים? מִשֶּׁיְּעַלְעוּ. הוּא תָנֵי לַהּ וְהוּא אָמַר לַהּ, ״אֶפְרוֹחָיו יְעַלְעוּ דָם״. אֵימַת? אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: מִכִּי שָׁמֵיט גַּדְפָּא מִינֵיהּ וְאָתֵי דְּמָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Ya’akov Korḥa taught** a *baraita*: **From when are pigeons fit?** It is **from when *ye’alu*. He teaches** the *baraita* **and he states its** explanation: The reference is to that which is stated: **“Its fledglings will suck up [*ye’alu*] blood”** (Job 39:30). **When** is that? **Abaye said:** It is **from** the stage **when one plucks a feather from it and blood emerges.**


###### Chullin 22b:7
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בָּעֵי רַבִּי זֵירָא: הָאוֹמֵר ״הֲרֵי עָלַי עוֹלָה מִן הַתּוֹרִים אוֹ מִן בְּנֵי הַיּוֹנָה״, וְהֵבִיא תְּחִלַּת הַצִּיהוּב שֶׁבָּזֶה וְשֶׁבָּזֶה, מַהוּ? סְפֵיקָא הָוֵי וְנָפֵיק, אוֹ דִילְמָא בְּרִיָּה הָוֵי וְלָא נָפֵיק?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rabbi Zeira raises a dilemma:** With regard to **one who says: It** is incumbent **upon me** to bring **a burnt offering of doves or of pigeons, and he brought** birds at **the beginning of the yellowing** of their neck plumage **of this,** doves, **and of that,** pigeons, **what is** the *halakha*? **Is** it a case of **uncertainty** whether it is considered older or younger, **and** therefore when he brings both **he fulfills** his obligation, as one of the birds was fit for sacrifice; **or perhaps** a bird at the beginning of the yellowing **is an entity** in and of itself and is neither older nor younger, **and he does not fulfill** his obligation?


###### Chullin 22b:8
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אָמַר רָבָא, תָּא שְׁמַע: פְּרָט לִתְחִילַּת הַצִּיהוּב שֶׁבָּזֶה וְשֶׁבָּזֶה, שֶׁפָּסוּל. אִי אָמְרַתְּ בִּשְׁלָמָא בְּרִיָּה הָוֵי – שַׁפִּיר, אֶלָּא אִי אָמְרַתְּ סְפֵיקָא הָוֵי, אִיצְטְרִיךְ קְרָא לְמַעוֹטֵי סְפֵיקָא?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rava said: Come** and **hear** proof from the *baraita* where it is taught that the verse: “Of doves or of young pigeons,” serves to **exclude** birds at **the beginning of the yellowing** of their neck plumage **that are unfit as this,** doves, **and as that,** pigeons. **Granted, if you say** that a bird at that stage **is an entity** in and of itself, that works out **well,** as the verse serves to ensure that a bird at that stage of development will never be sacrificed. **But if you say** that it **is** a case of **uncertainty, was** it **necessary** for **the verse to exclude** a case of **uncertainty?**