## Chullin Daf 59b

###### Chullin 59b:1
[Chullin 59b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/59b:1)

לְהַתִּיר חֶלְבָּהּ, וְהָכִי קָאָמַר: אֵלּוּ הֵן סִימָנֵי חַיָּה שֶׁחֶלְבָּהּ מוּתָּר – כֹּל שֶׁיֵּשׁ לָהּ קַרְנַיִם וּטְלָפַיִם.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The signs are given **to permit its** forbidden **fat,** i.e., to deem the animal undomesticated. Fat that is forbidden for consumption in domesticated animals is permitted in undomesticated animals. **And this** is what the *tanna* **is saying: These are the signs of a** kosher **undomesticated animal,** so that one will know **that its fat is permitted: Any** animal **that has horns and** cloven **hooves** is an undomesticated animal.


###### Chullin 59b:2
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רַבִּי דּוֹסָא אוֹמֵר: יֵשׁ לָהּ קַרְנַיִם – אִי אַתָּה צָרִיךְ לַחֲזוֹר עַל טְלָפַיִם, יֵשׁ לָהּ טְלָפַיִם – צָרִיךְ אַתָּה לַחֲזוֹר עַל קַרְנַיִם, וְקֶרֶשׁ, אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵין לוֹ אֶלָּא קֶרֶן אַחַת – מוּתָּר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Dosa says:** If **it has horns,** it is certainly a kosher undomesticated animal, and **you need not search for** cloven **hooves.** But if **it has** cloven **hooves, you must** still **search for horns. And** with regard to the animal called **a *keresh*, even though it has only one horn,** its fat **is permitted** for consumption.


###### Chullin 59b:3
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כְּלָלָא הוּא? וַהֲרֵי עֵז, דְּיֵשׁ לוֹ קַרְנַיִם וּטְלָפַיִם, וְחֶלְבּוֹ אָסוּר! כְּרוּכוֹת בָּעֵינַן. וַהֲרֵי שׁוֹר, דִּכְרוּכוֹת, וְחֶלְבּוֹ אָסוּר! חֲרוּקוֹת בָּעֵינַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **Is** this an established **principle? But** isn’t there **a goat, which has horns and** cloven **hooves, and** still **its fat is forbidden,** as it is a domesticated animal? The Gemara responds: **We require** horns that are **layered** to designate a kosher animal as undomesticated; a goat’s horns are not layered. The Gemara asks: **But** isn’t there **a bull, which** has **layered** horns, **and** still **its fat is forbidden** since it is domesticated? The Gemara responds: **We require horns** that are **grooved;** a bull’s horns are not grooved.


###### Chullin 59b:4
[Chullin 59b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/59b:4)

וַהֲרֵי עֵז, דַּחֲרוּקוֹת, וְחֶלְבּוֹ אָסוּר? מְפוּצָּלוֹת בָּעֵינַן! וַהֲרֵי צְבִי, דְּאֵין מְפוּצָּלוֹת, וְחֶלְבּוֹ מוּתָּר? חֲדוּרוֹת בָּעֵינַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara persists: **But** isn’t there **a goat, which** has **grooved** horns, **and** still **its fat is forbidden?** The Gemara responds: **We require** horns that are **branched;** a goat’s horns are not branched. The Gemara asks: **But** isn’t there **a gazelle [*tzevi*],** whose horns **are not branched, and** still **its fat is permitted?** The Gemara responds: **We require** horns that are **rounded** and not broad like those of a sheep.


###### Chullin 59b:5
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הִלְכָּךְ, הֵיכָא דְּמִיפַּצְלָא – לָא דִּינָא וְלָא דַּיָּינָא; הֵיכָא דְּלָא מִיפַּצְלָא – בָּעֵינַן כְּרוּכוֹת, חֲדוּרוֹת, וַחֲרוּקוֹת, וְהוּא דְּמִיבְּלַע חִירְקַיְיהוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara concludes: **Therefore, where** an animal’s horns are **branched, there is neither judgment nor judge,** and the animal is without a doubt undomesticated. **Where** they are **not branched, we require** that they be **layered, rounded, and grooved. And it** must be grooved in a pattern such **that its grooves are absorbed** into one another.


###### Chullin 59b:6
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וְהַיְינוּ סְפֵיקָא דְּעִיזָּא כַּרְכּוּז. הָהִיא עִיזָּא כַּרְכּוּז דַּהֲוַאי בֵּי רֵישׁ גָּלוּתָא, דַּעֲקוּר מְלָא צַנָּא דְּתַרְבָּא מִינַּהּ. רַב אַחַאי אָסַר, רַב שְׁמוּאֵל בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי אֲבָהוּ אֲכַל מִינֵּיהּ, קָרֵי אַנַּפְשֵׁיהּ: ״מִפְּרִי פִי אִישׁ תִּשְׂבַּע בִּטְנוֹ״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And this is the uncertainty** that arose concerning the ***karkoz* goat,** i.e., whether it is considered a domesticated animal. As there was **a certain *karkoz* goat that was in the house of the Exilarch, from which** they **removed a full basket of fat** after slaughtering it. **Rav Aḥai deemed** the fat **forbidden,** because he considered it a domesticated animal. But **Rav Shmuel, son of Rabbi Abbahu, ate of it. He read** the verse **about himself: “A man’s belly shall be filled with the fruit of his mouth”** (Proverbs 18:20). In other words, due to his learning, he knew it was permitted to eat the fat of the *karkoz* goat.


###### Chullin 59b:7
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שְׁלַחוּ מִתָּם: הִלְכְתָא כְּוָותֵיהּ דִּשְׁמוּאֵל בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי אֲבָהוּ, וְהִזָּהֲרוּ בְּרַבֵּינוּ אַחַאי, שֶׁמֵּאִיר עֵינֵי גּוֹלָה הוּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Sages **sent** a message **from there,** Eretz Yisrael: **The *halakha*** is **in accordance with** the opinion **of** Rav **Shmuel, son of Rabbi Abbahu,** that a *karkoz* goat is an undomesticated animal and its fat is permitted; **but** nevertheless, **be mindful of** the honor of **our teacher Aḥai** who deems it forbidden, and do not partake of the fat in his presence, **as he enlightens the eyes of the exile.**


###### Chullin 59b:8
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וְקֶרֶשׁ, אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵין לוֹ אֶלָּא קֶרֶן אַחַת, מוּתָּר. אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה: קֶרֶשׁ טַבְיָא דְּבֵי עִילַּאי, טִגְרִיס אַרְיָא דְּבֵי עִילַּאי. אָמַר רַב כָּהֲנָא: תְּשַׁע אַמְּהָתָא הָוֵי בֵּין אוּנָּא לְאוּנָּא דְּאַרְיָא דְּבֵי עִילַּאי. אָמַר רַב יוֹסֵף: שִׁיתְּסַר אַמְּהָתָא הָוֵי מַשְׁכֵיהּ דְּטַבְיָא דְּבֵי עִילַּאי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The *baraita* states: **And** with regard to the animal called **a *keresh*, even though it has only one horn,** its fat **is permitted** for consumption. **Rav Yehuda says:** The ***keresh*** is the **gazelle** that is native to the area **of Bei Ila’ei.** The ***tagras*** mentioned by the Sages is the **lion of Bei Ila’ei. Rav Kahana says: There are nine cubits between the ears of the lion of Bei Ila’ei. Rav Yosef says: The length of the gazelle of Bei Ila’ei is sixteen cubits.**


###### Chullin 59b:9
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ קֵיסָר לְרַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן חֲנַנְיָה: אֱלֹהֵיכֶם כְּאַרְיָה מְתִיל, דִּכְתִיב ״אַרְיֵה שָׁאָג מִי לֹא יִירָא״, מַאי רְבוּתֵיהּ? פָּרָשָׁא קָטֵיל אַרְיָא! אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לָאו כְּהַאי אַרְיָא מְתִיל, כְּאַרְיָא דְּבֵי עִילַּאי מְתִיל. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: בָּעֵינָא דְּמַיחֲזֵית לֵיהּ נִיהֲלִי. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לָא מָצֵית חָזֵית לֵיהּ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִיבְרָא, חָזֵינָא לֵיהּ! בְּעָא רַחֲמֵי, אִתְעֲקַר מִדּוּכְתֵּיהּ,

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara recounts: The Roman **emperor said to Rabbi Yehoshua ben Ḥananya: Your God is compared to a lion, as it is written: “The lion has roared, who will not fear”** (Amos 3:8). But if so, **what is His greatness? A cavalryman** can **kill a lion.** Rabbi Yehoshua **said to him:** God **is not compared to that lion** which a cavalryman can kill. Rather, God is **compared to the lion of Bei Ila’ei.** The emperor **said to him: I ask that you show it to me.** Rabbi Yehoshua **said to him: You cannot see it.** The emperor **said to him: Truly, I** wish to **see it.** Rabbi Yehoshua **prayed for mercy,** and the lion of Bei Ila’ei **set off from its place** of origin toward Rome.


###### Chullin 59b:10
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כִּי הֲוָה מְרַחַיק אַרְבַּע מְאָה פַּרְסֵי, נַיהֵם חַד קָלָא, אַפִּילוּ כֹּל מְעַבְּרָתָא, וְשׁוּרָא דְּרוֹמִי נְפַל. אַדִּמְרַחַק תְּלָת מְאָה פַּרְסֵי, נַיהֵם קָלָא אַחֲרִינָא, נְתוּר כַּכֵּי וְשִׁינֵּי דְּגַבְרֵי, וְאַף הוּא נְפַל מִכּוּרְסְיָיא לְאַרְעָא. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: בְּמָטוּתָא מִינָּךְ, בְּעֵי רַחֲמֵי עֲלֵיהּ דְּלֶהְדַּר לְדוּכְתֵּיהּ. בְּעָא רַחֲמֵי עֲלֵיהּ, וְאַהְדַּר לֵיהּ לְאַתְרֵיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**When it was four hundred parasangs away** from Rome, **it roared once,** and **all the pregnant women miscarried, and the wall of Rome fell. When it was three hundred parasangs away, it roared another** time, and all **the men’s front and back teeth fell out** from fear. **And even he,** the emperor, **fell from his throne to the ground.** The emperor **said to** Rabbi Yehoshua: **I beg you, pray for mercy with regard to it, that it should go back to the place** from which **it** came. Rabbi Yehoshua **prayed for mercy with regard to it, and it returned to the place** from which **it** came.


###### Chullin 59b:11
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ קֵיסָר לְרַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן חֲנַנְיָה: בָּעֵינָא דְּאִיחְזֵי לֵאלָהַיְכוּ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: לָא מָצֵית חָזֵית לֵיהּ. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִיבְרָא

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara recounts: **The emperor said to Rabbi Yehoshua ben Ḥananya: I wish to see your God.** Rabbi Yehoshua **said to him: You cannot see Him.** The emperor **said to him: Truly,**