## Chullin Daf 79b

###### Chullin 79b:1
[Chullin 79b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:1)

וְסִימָנִין דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And** in addition, he holds that these **distinguishing characteristics** apply **by Torah law,** such that they may be relied upon to allay concerns of violating even a prohibition that is mandated by Torah law.


###### Chullin 79b:2
[Chullin 79b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:2)

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: אוֹתוֹ וְאֶת בְּנוֹ נוֹהֵג בְּכִלְאַיִם וּבְכוֹי. רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר אוֹמֵר: כִּלְאַיִם הַבָּא מִן הָעֵז וּמִן הָרָחֵל – אוֹתוֹ וְאֶת בְּנוֹ נוֹהֵג בּוֹ, כּוֹי – אֵין אוֹתוֹ וְאֶת בְּנוֹ נוֹהֵג בּוֹ. אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: אֵיזֶהוּ כּוֹי שֶׁנֶּחְלְקוּ בּוֹ רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר וַחֲכָמִים? זֶה הַבָּא מִן הַתַּיִישׁ וּמִן הַצְּבִיָּיה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **The Sages taught** in a *baraita* (see *Tosefta* 5:1): The prohibition against slaughtering an animal **itself and its offspring applies to** the offspring of **diverse kinds** of animals, such as a goat and a ewe, **and to the *koy*,** even though the prohibition does not apply to undomesticated animals. **Rabbi Eliezer says:** With regard to **a hybrid** that **results from** the mating of **a goat and a ewe,** the prohibition of **a mother and its offspring applies;** with regard to **a *koy*,** the prohibition of **a mother and its offspring does not apply. Rav Ḥisda says: What is the *koy* about which Rabbi Eliezer and the Rabbis disagree?** It is **that which results from** the mating of **a goat and a doe.**


###### Chullin 79b:3
[Chullin 79b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:3)

הֵיכִי דָמֵי? אִילֵּימָא בְּתַיִישׁ הַבָּא עַל הַצְּבִיָּיה, וְיָלְדָה, וְקָא שָׁחֵיט לַהּ וְלִבְרַהּ – וְהָאָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: הַכֹּל מוֹדִים בְּהִיא צְבִיָּיה וּבְנָהּ תַּיִישׁ, שֶׁפָּטוּר! שֶׂה וּבְנוֹ אָמַר רַחֲמָנָא, וְלֹא צְבִי וּבְנוֹ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **What are the circumstances** surrounding the birth of this *koy*? **If we say** that it is the result **of a goat that mates with a doe, and she gives birth, and one slaughters her and her offspring** on the same day, that is difficult: **But doesn’t Rav Ḥisda say: All concede in** the case where **she is a doe and her offspring is a goat,** because she mated with a goat, **that** one who slaughters them both on the same day **is exempt** from lashes for violating the prohibition of a mother and its offspring? He is exempt because **the Merciful One states:** “And whether it be a bull or **a sheep,** you shall not slaughter it **and its offspring** both in one day” (Leviticus 22:28), indicating that the prohibition applies to a domesticated animal and its offspring, **but not** to an undomesticated animal and its offspring, such as **a doe and its offspring.**


###### Chullin 79b:4
[Chullin 79b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:4)

אֶלָּא בִּצְבִי הַבָּא עַל הַתְּיָישָׁה וְיָלְדָה, וְקָא שָׁחֵיט לַהּ וְלִבְרַהּ, וְהָאָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: הַכֹּל מוֹדִים בְּהִיא תְּיָישָׁה וּבְנָהּ צְבִי – שֶׁחַיָּיב, ״שֶׂה״ אָמַר רַחֲמָנָא, וּבְנוֹ כֹּל דְּהוּ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather,** perhaps this *koy* is the product **of a deer that mates with a female goat, and she gives birth, and one slaughters her and her offspring** on the same day. **But doesn’t Rav Ḥisda say: All concede** that **in** the case where **she is a goat and her offspring is a deer** because she mated with a deer, **that** one who slaughters them both on the same day **is liable?** He is liable because **the Merciful One states** in the Torah: **“A sheep**…and its offspring” (Leviticus 22:28), indicating that the prohibition applies to a domesticated animal such as a sheep **and its offspring** of **any** species, even if it is an undomesticated animal.


###### Chullin 79b:5
[Chullin 79b:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:5)

לְעוֹלָם, בְּתַיִישׁ הַבָּא עַל הַצְּבִיָּיה, וְיָלְדָה בַּת, וּבַת יָלְדָה בֵּן, וְקָא שָׁחֵיט לַהּ וְלִבְרַהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara responds: **Actually,** the dispute between Rabbi Eliezer and the Rabbis is in the case **of a goat that mates with a doe, and she gives birth to a female offspring,** a *koy*, **and** this **female offspring gives birth to a male offspring, and one slaughters her and her male offspring** on the same day.


###### Chullin 79b:6
[Chullin 79b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:6)

רַבָּנַן סָבְרִי: חוֹשְׁשִׁין לְזֶרַע הָאָב, וְשֶׂה – וַאֲפִילּוּ מִקְצָת שֶׂה. וְרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר סָבַר: אֵין חוֹשְׁשִׁין לְזֶרַע הָאָב, וְ״שֶׂה וַאֲפִילּוּ מִקְצָת שֶׂה״ – לָא אָמְרִינַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**The Rabbis hold: One** needs **to be concerned with its paternity,** and therefore the *koy* is partially a goat due to its father, **and** the word **“sheep”** in the verse means that **even** if it is **partially a sheep,** i.e., a domesticated animal, it may not be slaughtered with its offspring in a single day. **And Rabbi Eliezer holds: One** need **not be concerned with its paternity,** and the status of the *koy* is unaffected by the fact that its father is a goat, **and** therefore, in this case **we do not say** that the word **“sheep”** mentioned in the verse means that **even** if it is **partially a sheep** it may not be slaughtered with its offspring in a single day, as the father’s component is ignored.


###### Chullin 79b:7
[Chullin 79b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:7)

וְלִיפְלוֹג בְּחוֹשְׁשִׁין לְזֶרַע הָאָב, בִּפְלוּגְתָּא דַּחֲנַנְיָה וְרַבָּנַן?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara challenges: **And let them disagree** with regard to any animal of mixed breed **about** whether **one** needs **to be concerned with its paternity,** i.e., **with regard to** the issue that is the subject of **the dispute between Ḥananya and the Rabbis,** whether the prohibition against slaughtering an animal and its offspring on the same day also applies to a father and its offspring because one needs to be concerned with an animal’s paternity.


###### Chullin 79b:8
[Chullin 79b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:8)

אִי פְּלִיגִי בְּהָהִיא, הֲוָה אָמֵינָא: בְּהָא אֲפִילּוּ רַבָּנַן מוֹדוּ, דְּ״שֶׂה וַאֲפִילּוּ מִקְצָת שֶׂה״ לָא אָמְרִינַן, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara responds: **If they would disagree** only **about that** issue, **I would say:** With regard to **this** issue of a doe mother and a goat father, **even the Rabbis concede that we do not say** that the word **“sheep”** mentioned in the verse means that **even** if an animal is **partially a sheep,** i.e., a domesticated animal, it may not be slaughtered with its offspring in a single day. Therefore, the *baraita* teaches us that according to the Rabbis, not only does one need to be concerned with paternity, but the word “sheep” indicates that even if it is partially a sheep, i.e., a domesticated animal, it may not be slaughtered with its offspring.


###### Chullin 79b:9
[Chullin 79b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:9)

וְהָא דִּתְנַן: כּוֹי אֵין שׁוֹחֲטִין אוֹתוֹ בְּיוֹם טוֹב, וְאִם שְׁחָטוֹ – אֵין מְכַסִּין אֶת דָּמוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara challenges: **But that which we learned** in a mishna (83b) appears to contradict this: **One may not slaughter a *koy* on a Festival,** because covering its blood entails the performance of prohibited labor that is permitted only if there is a definite obligation to do so. **And if one slaughtered** a *koy* on a Festival after the fact, **one does not cover its blood,** as the Sages prohibited transporting soil on a Festival where it is uncertain that a mitzva by Torah law exists.


###### Chullin 79b:10
[Chullin 79b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:10)

בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן? אִילֵימָא בְּתַיִישׁ הַבָּא עַל הַצְּבִיָּיה וְיָלְדָה, בֵּין לְרַבָּנַן בֵּין לְרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר – לִשְׁחוֹט וְלִיכַסֵּי, צְבִי וַאֲפִילּוּ מִקְצָת צְבִי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara explains the question: **What are we dealing with? If we say** that we are dealing **with a goat who mates with a doe, and she gives birth,** then **whether according to** the opinion of **the Rabbis or according to** the opinion of **Rabbi Eliezer, let him slaughter** the *koy* on the Festival *ab initio* **and cover** the blood, as the mother of the *koy* is **a deer, and** the *koy* therefore may be termed an undomesticated animal, whose blood requires covering. This should be so **even** if it is **partially a deer,** i.e., it has an undomesticated animal component from only one parent, since all agree that the offspring’s species derives from its mother.


###### Chullin 79b:11
[Chullin 79b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:11)

אֶלָּא בִּצְבִי הַבָּא עַל הַתְּיָישָׁה וְיָלְדָה, אִי לְרַבָּנַן – לִשְׁחוֹט וְלִיכַסֵּי, אִי לְרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר – לִשְׁחוֹט וְלָא לִיכַסֵּי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather,** we must be dealing **with** a case of **a deer that mates with a female goat, and she gives birth.** This, too, is difficult: **If** the mishna is **in accordance with** the opinion of **the Rabbis** that one needs to be concerned with paternity, **let him slaughter** this *koy* on the Festival *ab initio* **and cover** the blood, as it is partially an undomesticated animal due to its father. **If** the mishna holds **in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Eliezer** that one need not be concerned with paternity, **let him slaughter** the *koy* on the Festival *ab initio* **and not cover** the blood, as it should be considered a domesticated animal, whose blood does not require covering due to its mother who is a goat.


###### Chullin 79b:12
[Chullin 79b:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:12)

לְעוֹלָם בִּצְבִי הַבָּא עַל הַתְּיָישָׁה, וְרַבָּנַן סַפּוֹקֵי מְסַפְּקָא לְהוּ אִי חוֹשְׁשִׁין לְזֶרַע הָאָב אִי אֵין חוֹשְׁשִׁין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara concludes that **actually** this mishna is in accordance with the opinion of the Rabbis, and it is referring to a case **of a deer who mates with a female goat, and the Rabbis** do not say with certainty that in determining the species of an animal one must be concerned with paternity, but rather the Rabbis **are** simply **uncertain whether one** needs **to be concerned with its paternity or one** need **not be concerned.** Therefore, they rule that one should not slaughter it on a Festival, *ab initio*, in order to avoid a possible prohibition, and if one did slaughter it, he should not cover the blood, to avoid violating a prohibition in order to perform an uncertain mitzva.


###### Chullin 79b:13
[Chullin 79b:13](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:13)

וּמִדִּלְרַבָּנַן מְסַפְּקָא לְהוּ, לְרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר פְּשִׁיטָא לֵיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara infers: **And from** the fact **that the Rabbis are uncertain,** and therefore they rule that the prohibition of: Itself and its offspring, applies to a *koy*, it can be inferred that **according to** the opinion of **Rabbi Eliezer,** who rules that the prohibition of: Itself and its offspring, does not apply to a *koy*, it is **obvious** that, with regard to a *koy* resulting from a deer mating with a female goat, one need not be concerned with its paternity at all.


###### Chullin 79b:14
[Chullin 79b:14](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:14)

וְהָא דְּתַנְיָא: הַזְּרוֹעַ וְהַלְּחָיַיִם וְהַקֵּבָה נוֹהֲגִים בְּכוֹי וּבְכִלְאַיִם. רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר אוֹמֵר: כִּלְאַיִם הַבָּא מִן הָעֵז וּמִן הָרָחֵל – חַיָּיב בְּמַתָּנוֹת, מִן הַכּוֹי – פָּטוּר מִן הַמַּתָּנוֹת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **But** according to this, **that which is taught** in a *baraita* (see *Tosefta* 9:1) presents a difficulty: The mitzva to give **the foreleg, the jaw, and the maw** of non-sacred animals to a priest **applies** both **to a *koy* and to** the offspring of **diverse kinds** of animals. **Rabbi Eliezer says: A hybrid** that **results from** the mating of **a goat and a ewe is obligated to** have **gifts** of the priesthood given from it; a hybrid that results **from a *koy* is exempt from** having **gifts** of the priesthood given from it.


###### Chullin 79b:15
[Chullin 79b:15](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:15)

בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן? אִילֵימָא בְּתַיִישׁ הַבָּא עַל הַצְּבִיָּיה וְיַלְדָּה, בִּשְׁלָמָא לְרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר דְּפָטַר, קָסָבַר ״שֶׂה וַאֲפִילּוּ מִקְצָת שֶׂה״ לָא אָמְרִינַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara analyzes the *baraita*: **What** type of *koy* **are we dealing with? If we say** that we are dealing **with a goat who mates with a doe, and she gives birth, granted,** this is consistent **according** to the opinion of **Rabbi Eliezer, who deems** it **exempt** from having gifts of the priesthood given from it. As **he holds** that **we do not say** that the word **“sheep”** (see Deuteronomy 18:3) means that **even** if it is **partially a sheep** one must give gifts of the priesthood from it, as paternity is ignored and this *koy* is considered solely the offspring of a doe, exempting it from having gifts given from it.


###### Chullin 79b:16
[Chullin 79b:16](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:16)

אֶלָּא לְרַבָּנַן, נְהִי דְּקָסָבְרִי ״שֶׂה וַאֲפִילּוּ מִקְצָת שֶׂה״, בִּשְׁלָמָא פַּלְגָא לָא יָהֵיב לֵיהּ, אִידַּךְ פַּלְגָא לֵימָא לֵיהּ: אַיְיתִי רְאָיָיה דְּחוֹשְׁשִׁין לְזֶרַע הָאָב, וּשְׁקוֹל.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**But according to** the opinion of **the Rabbis,** even if it is **granted that they hold** that the word **“sheep”** means that **even** if it is **partially a sheep,** or any other type of domesticated animal, one is obligated to give gifts of the priesthood from it, why should the owner of this *koy* be required to give the gifts to a priest? **Granted, he does not give** the priest **half** of the gifts, since half of the *koy*, i.e., the mother’s component, is an undomesticated animal; but with regard to **the other half,** as well, **let him say to** the priest: **Bring proof that one** needs **to be concerned with its paternity and take** that half; otherwise receive nothing.


###### Chullin 79b:17
[Chullin 79b:17](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:17)

אֶלָּא, בִּצְבִי הַבָּא עַל הַתְּיָישָׁה וְיָלְדָה. בִּשְׁלָמָא לְרַבָּנַן, מַאי ״חַיָּיב״ – בַּחֲצִי מַתָּנוֹת; אֶלָּא לְרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר, לִיחַיַּיב בְּכוּלְּהִי מַתָּנוֹת?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather,** we are dealing **with** the case of **a deer who mates with a female goat and she gives birth. Granted,** this is consistent **according to** the opinion of **the Rabbis,** who say that one is obligated to give gifts of the priesthood from it, as **what** is meant by: **Obligated?** It means: It is obligated **in half of the gifts,** since on its mother’s side the goat component is subject to the obligation to give the gifts, but with regard to the other half of the gifts he can tell the priest: Bring proof that one need not be concerned with paternity, and take it. **But according to** the opinion of **Rabbi Eliezer,** who says that one need not be concerned with paternity at all, such that this *koy* would be considered a domesticated animal like its mother, **let** the owner **be obligated in all of the gifts.** Why, then, does Rabbi Eliezer deem him exempt?


###### Chullin 79b:18
[Chullin 79b:18](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/79b:18)

לְעוֹלָם בִּצְבִי הַבָּא עַל הַתְּיָישָׁה וְיָלְדָה, וְרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר נָמֵי סַפּוֹקֵי מְסַפְּקָא לֵיהּ אִי חוֹשְׁשִׁין לְזֶרַע הָאָב אוֹ לָא, וְכֵיוָן דִּלְרַבָּנַן מְסַפְּקָא לְהוּ וּלְרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר מְסַפְּקָא לֵיהּ, בְּמַאי פְּלִיגִי?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara answers: **Actually,** it is referring **to a deer who mates with a female goat, and she gives birth, and Rabbi Eliezer is also uncertain whether,** in determining the species of an animal, **one** needs **to be concerned with its paternity or not.** The Gemara asks: **But since** the conclusion is **that the Rabbis are uncertain and Rabbi Eliezer is uncertain, in what** case **do they disagree** where Rabbi Eliezer deems the owner exempt from giving the gifts entirely?