## Chullin Daf 8b

###### Chullin 8b:1
[Chullin 8b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:1)

בַּחֲדָשָׁה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects that possibility: Rav Naḥman is referring **to** the case of **a new** knife on which there is no residue.


###### Chullin 8b:2
[Chullin 8b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:2)

חֲדָשָׁה, בֵּין לְרַבִּי יִשְׁמָעֵאל בֵּין לְרַבִּי עֲקִיבָא, מְשַׁמְּשֵׁי עֲבוֹדָה זָרָה הֵן, וּמְשַׁמְּשֵׁי עֲבוֹדָה זָרָה אֵינָן אֲסוּרִין עַד שֶׁיֵּעָבֵדוּ! אִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא, דִּפְסַק בֵּיהּ גְּוָוזָא לַעֲבוֹדָה זָרָה, וְאִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא, בִּישָׁנָה שֶׁלִּיבְּנָהּ בָּאוּר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara challenges: If it is **a new** knife, **both** according **to Rabbi Yishmael and** according **to Rabbi Akiva,** who disagreed about whether an idol is forbidden from the moment that one crafts it or from the moment that one worships it, a knife is merely in the category of **accessories of idol worship, and accessories of idol worship are forbidden only after they are** used for idol **worship.** The Gemara explains: **If you wish, say** that the reference is to a case **where he cut a branch [*gevaza*] for idol worship with** the knife, which leaves no residue. **And if you wish, say** instead that Rav Naḥman is referring **to** the case of **an old** knife **that he burned until** it became **white hot in the fire,** and therefore, there is no residue on the knife.


###### Chullin 8b:3
[Chullin 8b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:3)

אִתְּמַר: הַשּׁוֹחֵט בְּסַכִּין שֶׁל גּוֹיִם, רַב אָמַר: קוֹלֵף, וְרַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר: מֵדִיחַ. לֵימָא בְּהָא קָמִיפַּלְגִי, דְּמָר סָבַר: בֵּית הַשְּׁחִיטָה צוֹנֵן, וּמָר סָבַר: בֵּית הַשְּׁחִיטָה רוֹתֵחַ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **It was stated:** With regard to **one who slaughters** an animal **with the knife of gentiles, Rav says: He peels** off a layer of the flesh from the place on the animal where the knife touched the flesh and the forbidden residue on the knife was absorbed. **And Rabba bar bar Ḥana says: He rinses** the place where the knife touched the flesh. The Gemara suggests: **Let us say** that **they disagree about this, that** one **Sage,** Rabba bar bar Ḥana, **holds: The area of the slaughter** on the throat **is cold** and does not absorb the forbidden residue, and therefore rinsing is sufficient. **And** one **Sage,** Rav, **holds: The area of the slaughter** on the throat **is hot** and therefore it absorbs the forbidden residue.


###### Chullin 8b:4
[Chullin 8b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:4)

לָא, דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא בֵּית הַשְּׁחִיטָה רוֹתֵחַ הוּא; מַאן דְּאָמַר קוֹלֵף – שַׁפִּיר, וּמַאן דְּאָמַר מֵדִיחַ – אַיְּידֵי דִּטְרִידִי סִימָנִין לְאַפּוֹקֵי דָּם לָא בָּלְעִי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects that suggestion: **No,** it is possible **that everyone** holds that **the area of the slaughter** on the throat **is hot.** For **the one who says** that **he peels** off a layer, it works out **well, and the one who says** that **he rinses** the place where the knife touched the flesh holds that **since the two organs that must be severed in ritual slaughter [*simanim*],** i.e., the windpipe and the gullet, **are occupied** with **discharging blood, they do not absorb** the residue.


###### Chullin 8b:5
[Chullin 8b:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:5)

אִיכָּא דְּאָמְרִי, דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא בֵּית הַשְּׁחִיטָה צוֹנֵן. מַאן דְּאָמַר מֵדִיחַ – שַׁפִּיר, מַאן דְּאָמַר קוֹלֵף – אַגַּב דּוּחְקָא דְסַכִּינָא בָּלַע.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**There are** those **who say that everyone** holds that **the area of the slaughter** on the throat **is cold.** For **the one who says** that **he rinses** the place where the knife touched the flesh, it works out **well, and the one who says** that **he peels** off a layer holds that although that area is cold, **due to the pressure of the knife** on the throat, the flesh **absorbs** the residue.


###### Chullin 8b:6
[Chullin 8b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:6)

סַכִּין טְרֵיפָה, פְּלִיגִי בַּהּ רַב אַחָא וְרָבִינָא, חַד אָמַר: בְּחַמִּין, וְחַד אָמַר: בְּצוֹנֵן, וְהִלְכְתָא: אֲפִילּוּ בְּצוֹנֵן, וְאִי אִיכָּא בְּלִיתָא דִּפְרָסָא לְמִיכְפְּרֵיהּ, לָא צְרִיךְ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **With regard to a knife** with which an animal that is **a *tereifa*** was slaughtered, **Rav Aḥa and Ravina disagree. One says:** One purges it **in hot** water to remove the absorptions from the *tereifa*, **and one says:** One rinses it **in cold** water, and that is sufficient. **And the *halakha*** is: One may rinse it **even in cold** water. **And if there is a tattered** piece **of a curtain** with which **to wipe** the knife, **one need not** rinse it.


###### Chullin 8b:7
[Chullin 8b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:7)

וּלְמַאן דְּאָמַר בְּחַמִּין, מַאי טַעְמָא? מִשּׁוּם דְּקָא בָלְעָה אִיסּוּרָא? דְּהֶיתֵּירָא נָמֵי בָּלְעָה אֵבֶר מִן הַחַי! אֵימַת בָּלְעָה? לְכִי חָיְימָא. אֵימַת קָא חָיְימָא? לְכִי גָמְרָה שְׁחִיטָה, הָהִיא שַׁעְתָּא הֶיתֵּירָא הֲוָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And according to the one who says** that one purges it **in hot** water, **what is the reason** that he must do so; is it **due to** the premise **that** the knife **absorbed forbidden** residue? That reasoning should not be limited to a case where he slaughtered a *tereifa*. A knife with **which** he slaughtered an animal that is **permitted** should **also** require purging, because **it absorbed** residue from **the limb from a living** animal before the slaughter was completed. The Gemara answers: **When** is there concern that the knife **absorbed** the residue? It is **when** the throat **grows warm. When does it grow warm?** It is **at** the point **when the slaughter is complete.** At **that moment, it is** already **permitted.**


###### Chullin 8b:8
[Chullin 8b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:8)

אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב: הַטַּבָּח צָרִיךְ שְׁלֹשָׁה סַכִּינִין, אַחַת שֶׁשּׁוֹחֵט בָּהּ, וְאֶחָד שֶׁמְּחַתֵּךְ בָּהּ בָּשָׂר, וְאֶחָד שֶׁמְּחַתֵּךְ בָּהּ חֲלָבִים.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rav Yehuda says** that **Rav says: The slaughterer requires three knives, one with which he slaughters** the animal, **and one with which he cuts meat, and one with which he cuts** forbidden **fats.** One may not use the same knife for cutting the meat and the forbidden fats due to the residue on the knife after cutting the forbidden fats.


###### Chullin 8b:9
[Chullin 8b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:9)

וְלִיתַקֵּן לֵיהּ חֲדָא, וְלִיחְתּוֹךְ בָּהּ בָּשָׂר, וַהֲדַר לִיחְתּוֹךְ בַּהּ חֲלָבִים? גְּזֵירָה שֶׁמָּא יַחְתּוֹךְ חֲלָבִים וְאַחַר כָּךְ בָּשָׂר. הַשְׁתָּא נָמֵי מִיחַלַּף לֵיהּ! כֵּיוָן דְּאַצְרְכִינְהוּ תְּרֵי – אִית לֵיהּ הֶיכֵּרָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara suggests: **And let him designate one** knife for cutting both the meat and forbidden fats **and cut meat with it and then cut** forbidden **fats with it.** In this manner the forbidden residue on the knife will not affect the meat. The Gemara explains: The Sages issued a rabbinic **decree** prohibiting the use of one knife to cut meat and then forbidden fats **lest he** also **cut** forbidden **fats and cut meat thereafter.** The Gemara challenges: **Now too,** after the decree mandating separate knives there is a concern that **they will be confused for him** and he will use the knife that cut the forbidden fats to cut the meat. The Gemara explains: **Since** the Sages **required him** to have **two** knives, **he has a conspicuous marker** on one of the knives that will prevent confusion.


###### Chullin 8b:10
[Chullin 8b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:10)

וְאָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב: הַטַּבָּח צָרִיךְ שְׁנֵי כֵּלִים שֶׁל מַיִם, אֶחָד שֶׁמֵּדִיחַ בּוֹ בָּשָׂר, וְאֶחָד שֶׁמֵּדִיחַ בּוֹ חֲלָבִים. וְנִיתַקֵּן לֵיהּ חֲדָא, וּנְדִיחַ בּוֹ בָּשָׂר וַהֲדַר נְדִיחַ בּוֹ חֲלָבִים? גְּזֵירָה שֶׁמָּא יָדִיחַ חֲלָבִים וְאַחַר כָּךְ בָּשָׂר. הַשְׁתָּא נָמֵי מִיחַלְּפִי לֵיהּ? כֵּיוָן דְּאַצְרְכִינֵּיהּ תַּרְתֵּי אִית לֵיהּ הֶיכֵּרָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And Rav Yehuda says** that **Rav says: The slaughterer requires two vessels of water, one with which he rinses meat and one with which he rinses** forbidden **fats.** The Gemara suggests: **And let him designate one** vessel **and rinse meat with** the water in the vessel **and then rinse** forbidden **fats with** the water in the same vessel. The Gemara explains: The Sages issued a rabbinic **decree** to prohibit doing so **lest he rinse** fats **and rinse meat thereafter.** The Gemara challenges: **Now too,** after the decree mandating separate vessels there is a concern that **they will be confused for him** and he will rinse meat in the vessel in which he rinsed fats. The Gemara answers: **Since** the Sages **required him** to have **two** vessels, **he has a conspicuous marker** on one of the vessels that will prevent confusion.


###### Chullin 8b:11
[Chullin 8b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:11)

אָמַר אַמֵּימָר מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרַב פָּפָּא: לָא לִיסְחוֹף אִינִישׁ כַּפְלֵי עִילָּוֵי בִּישְׂרָא, דְּדָאֵיב תַּרְבָּא וּבָלַע בִּישְׂרָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Ameimar says in the name of Rav Pappa: A person should not place [*lisḥof*] the flanks** of an animal **atop** other **meat** so that the forbidden fats that are attached to the flanks are in contact with the other meat, due to the fact **that the** forbidden **fat** liquefies and **flows and the meat absorbs** it.


###### Chullin 8b:12
[Chullin 8b:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Chullin/r/8b:12)

אִי הָכִי, כִּי תְּרִיצִי נָמֵי דָּאֵיב תַּרְבָּא וּבָלַע בִּשְׂרָא? קְרָמָא מַפְסֵיק מִתַּתַּאי! אִי הָכִי

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara raises an objection: **If so,** and that is a concern, **when** the flanks are **placed** in their **typical** manner **[*teritzi*] as well,** with the forbidden fat above the meat of the flanks, **the** forbidden **fat flows and the meat** of the flanks **absorbs** it. The Gemara explains: **The membrane** between the forbidden fat and the meat of the flanks **interposes from below** and prevents absorption of the forbidden fat. The Gemara challenges: **If so,**