## Eruvin Daf 24b

###### Eruvin 24b:1
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אָמַר אַמֵּימָר: וְהוּא דְּחַזְיִין לְתַשְׁמִישְׁתָּא, אֲבָל לָא חַזְיִין לְתַשְׁמִישְׁתָּא — לָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Ameimar said: This** ruling **applies only if** the water **is fit for** its regular **use,** i.e., for drinking, because in that case it provides for the needs of residence. **However,** if the water **is not fit for use,** then it is **not** considered like planted trees. Therefore, the *karpef* is no longer considered enclosed for the purpose of residence, and it is prohibited to carry in the *karpef*.


###### Eruvin 24b:2
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אָמַר רַב אָשֵׁי: וּדְחַזְיִין לְתַשְׁמִישְׁתָּא נָמֵי לָא אֲמַרַן אֶלָּא שֶׁאֵין בְּעוֹמְקוֹ יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם, אֲבָל אִם יֵשׁ בְּעוֹמְקוֹ יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם — אָסוּר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ashi said: And** even where the water **is fit for use, this** ruling **applies only if** the water **is not** ten handbreadths **deep** over an area **greater than two *beit se’a*; but if** the water is ten handbreadths **deep** over an area **greater** than **two *beit se’a*,** it **is prohibited** to carry in it, as in such a case the *karpef* is no longer considered enclosed for the sake of dwelling.


###### Eruvin 24b:3
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וְלָאו מִילְּתָא הִיא, מִידֵּי דְּהָוֵה אַכַּרְיָא דְפֵירֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara comments: **And it is not so, just as** it is **in** the case of **a pile of fruit,** as even if the pile of fruit is very large, the *karpef* does not lose its status as having been enclosed for the purpose of residence.


###### Eruvin 24b:4
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הָהִיא רְחָבָה דַּהֲוַאי בְּפוּם נַהֲרָא, דְּחַד גִּיסָא הֲוָה פְּתִיחַ לְמָתָא, וְחַד גִּיסָא הֲוָה פְּתִיחַ לִשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים, וּשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים הֲוָה סָלֵיק לְגוּדָּא דְנַהֲרָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara relates: **There was a certain yard in** the town of **Pum Nahara** that was larger than two *beit se’a* and that had not been enclosed for the purpose of residence. **One of its sides opened to** an alleyway in **the town, and the other opened to a** walled **path between the vineyards, and** that **vineyard path led to the bank of a river** ten handbreadths high, which is considered a partition.


###### Eruvin 24b:5
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אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: הֵיכִי נַעֲבֵיד? לַעֲבֵיד לֵיהּ מְחִיצָה אַגּוּדָּא דְנַהֲרָא — אֵין עוֹשִׂין מְחִיצָה עַל גַּבֵּי מְחִיצָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Abaye said: What shall we do** to permit carrying in the yard, which is a *karmelit*, without having to make a breach in one of its walls wider than ten cubits and then fence it up again? **Shall we construct a partition for it on the river bank,** so that the vineyard path is surrounded by partitions on all sides? This is not a viable solution, as **one cannot construct an** effective **partition on top of another** partition that already exists, and the river bank is considered a partition relative to the river.


###### Eruvin 24b:6
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וְלַעֲבֵיד לֵיהּ צוּרַת הַפֶּתַח אַפּוּמָּא דִּשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים — אָתוּ גַּמְלֵי שָׁדְיָין לֵיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Shall we arrange a doorframe at the mouth of the vineyard path?** That is also not an effective solution in this case, for **the camels** that walk down this path in order to drink water from the river **will come and knock it over.**


###### Eruvin 24b:7
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אֶלָּא אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: לֶיעְבֵּיד לֶחִי אַפִּיתְחָא דִּשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים, דְּמִגּוֹ דְּמַהְנְיָא לִשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים, מְהַנֵּי נָמֵי לִרְחָבָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather, Abaye said: We should arrange a side post at the opening of the vineyard path** to the yard, **since as it is effective for the vineyard path,** to allow one to carry on the path, as it is no longer breached into a *karmelit*, **it is also effective for the yard,** and the side post will be considered an additional partition that renders it permitted to carry in the yard.


###### Eruvin 24b:8
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ רָבָא: יֹאמְרוּ לֶחִי מוֹעִיל לִשְׁבִיל שֶׁל כְּרָמִים דְּעָלְמָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rava said to him:** If so, people **will say** that **a side post is effective** in permitting one to carry in **a vineyard path generally,** and this will cause the public to err, as vineyard paths are usually open at both ends and do not lead to a river or the like.


###### Eruvin 24b:9
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אֶלָּא אָמַר רָבָא: עָבְדִינַן לֵיהּ לֶחִי לְפִיתְחָא דְמָתָא, דְּמִגּוֹ דְּמַהְנֵי לֵיהּ לֶחִי לְמָתָא, מַהְנֵי נָמֵי לִרְחָבָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather, Rava said: They should arrange a side post at the opening** of the yard **to the town, as since the side post is effective** and is considered a partition **for the town, it is also effective for the yard,** to permit one to carry within it.


###### Eruvin 24b:10
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הִלְכָּךְ: טַלְטוֹלֵי בְּמָתָא גּוּפַהּ — שְׁרֵי. טַלְטוֹלֵי בִּרְחָבָה גּוּפַהּ — שְׁרֵי. מִמָּתָא לִרְחָבָה וּמֵרְחָבָה לְמָתָא, פְּלִיגִי בַּהּ רַב אַחָא וְרָבִינָא: חַד אָסַר וְחַד שָׁרֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Therefore,** in summary, **it is permitted to carry within the town itself** and **to carry within the yard itself.** However, with regard to carrying **from the town to the yard or from the yard to the town, Rav Aḥa and Ravina disagree: One prohibits** doing so **and the other permits** it.