## Eruvin Daf 90a

###### Eruvin 90a:1
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לְנַטּוֹרֵי תַּרְבִּיצָא הוּא דַּעֲבִידָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**that he built** the upper story **to protect the garden [*tarbitza*],** not to access the roofs.


###### Eruvin 90a:2
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בְּעַי רָמֵי בַּר חָמָא: שְׁתֵּי אַמּוֹת בְּגַג וּשְׁתֵּי אַמּוֹת בְּעַמּוּד מַהוּ? אָמַר רַבָּה: מַאי קָא מִיבַּעְיָא לֵיהּ, כַּרְמְלִית וּרְשׁוּת הַיָּחִיד קָא מִיבַּעְיָא לֵיהּ?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rami bar Ḥama raised a dilemma:** According to Rav, who holds that one may carry only within four cubits on each roof, if he carries an object **two cubits on a roof and** another **two cubits on a pillar** ten handbreadths high and four handbreadths wide adjacent to the roof, **what is** the *halakha*? **Rabba said:** With regard to **what** matter **is he raising a dilemma?** Is it with regard to **a *karmelit* and a private domain** that **he is raising a dilemma?** The roof is a *karmelit* and the pillar is a private domain; certainly carrying from one to the other is prohibited.


###### Eruvin 90a:3
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וְרָמֵי בַּר חָמָא אַגַּב חוּרְפֵּיהּ לָא עַיֵּין בַּהּ, אֶלָּא הָכִי קָמִיבַּעְיָא לֵיהּ: שְׁתֵּי אַמּוֹת בְּגַג וּשְׁתֵּי אַמּוֹת בְּאַכְסַדְרָה, מַהוּ?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara explains that this was not in fact the dilemma, **and Rami bar Ḥama, due to his keen** mind, **did not analyze** the dilemma carefully and was imprecise in its formulation. **Rather, this is** the **dilemma he is raising:** If one carries an object **two cubits on the roof** of a house, **and** another **two cubits on** the slanted roof of **a portico,** a roofed structure without walls, before a house belonging to someone else, **what is** the *halakha*?


###### Eruvin 90a:4
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מִי אָמְרִינַן: כֵּיוָן דְּלָא הַאי חֲזֵי לְדִירָה וְלָא הַאי חֲזֵי לְדִירָה — חֲדָא רְשׁוּתָא הִיא. אוֹ דִילְמָא: כֵּיוָן דְּמִגַּג לְגַג אֲסִיר, מִגַּג לְאַכְסַדְרָה נָמֵי אֲסִיר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara elaborates on Rami bar Ḥama’s dilemma: **Do we say** that **since neither this** roof **is fit for residence, nor is this** portico roof **fit for residence, it is** regarded as **one domain,** and therefore carrying between them is permitted? **Or perhaps since** carrying **from a roof to** another **roof is prohibited,** carrying **from a roof to a portico is likewise prohibited,** as the latter is also a domain in and of itself.


###### Eruvin 90a:5
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בָּעֵי רַב בִּיבִי בַּר אַבָּיֵי: שְׁתֵּי אַמּוֹת בְּגַג וּשְׁתֵּי אַמּוֹת בְּחוּרְבָּה, מַהוּ?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Beivai bar Abaye raised a** similar **dilemma:** If one carries **two cubits on the roof** of a house **and** another **two cubits** on the roof **of a ruin** belonging to someone else, one side of which was completely open to a public domain, **what is** the *halakha*?


###### Eruvin 90a:6
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אָמַר רַב כָּהֲנָא: לָאו הַיְינוּ דְּרָמֵי בַּר חָמָא?! אָמַר רַב בִּיבִי בַּר אַבָּיֵי: וְכִי מֵאַחֵר אֲתַאי וּנְצַאי? אַכְסַדְרָה לָא חַזְיָא לְדִירָה, וְחוּרְבָּה חַזְיָא לְדִירָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Kahana said: Is that not** precisely the same dilemma raised **by Rami bar Ḥama** with regard to a portico? **Rav Beivai bar Abaye said: And did I come late** [***me’aḥer***] merely **to quarrel,** and meddle in other people’s questions? That is not the case, as the two dilemmas are not identical. **A portico is not fit for residence, while a ruin is fit for residence.** Therefore, the *halakha* might differ in each case.


###### Eruvin 90a:7
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וְכִי מֵאַחַר דְּחַזְיָא לְדִירָה מַאי קָמִיבַּעְיָא לֵיהּ! ״אִם תִּימְצֵי לוֹמַר״ קָאָמַר: אִם תִּימְצֵי לוֹמַר אַכְסַדְרָה לָא חַזְיָא לְדִירָה — חוּרְבָּה חַזְיָא לְדִירָה? אוֹ דִילְמָא: הַשְׁתָּא מִיהָא לֵית בַּהּ דָּיוֹרִין. תֵּיקוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara is surprised by this explanation: **And now that it is fit for residence, what dilemma is he raising?** The situation is comparable to the case of two standard roofs. The Gemara answers: Rav Beivai was unaware of the resolution to the dilemma raised by Rami bar Ḥama, and therefore, **he states** the dilemma employing the style: **If you say. If you say** that **a portico is not fit for residence,** and therefore carrying is permitted, it can be argued that as **a ruin is fit for residence,** the legal status of its roof should be like that of a standard roof. **Or perhaps** that is not the case, as **now in any event there are no residents in** the ruin, and therefore its roof is not comparable to a standard roof. No resolution was found for these dilemmas, and they **stand** unresolved.


###### Eruvin 90a:8
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גַּגִּין הַשָּׁוִין לְרַבִּי מֵאִיר, וְגַג יְחִידִי לְרַבָּנַן, רַב אָמַר: מוּתָּר לְטַלְטֵל בְּכוּלּוֹ, וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: אֵין מְטַלְטְלִין בּוֹ אֶלָּא בְּאַרְבַּע.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara discusses a different question. With regard to **roofs that are level,** i.e., with a height disparity of less than ten handbreadths, **according to** the opinion of **Rabbi Meir, or an isolated roof** that does not border other roofs, **according to** the opinion of **the Rabbis, Rav said: It is permitted to move** an object **throughout the entire** roof; **and Shmuel said: One may move** an object **in it only within four** cubits.


###### Eruvin 90a:9
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רַב אָמַר: מוּתָּר לְטַלְטֵל בְּכוּלּוֹ, קַשְׁיָא דְּרַב אַדְּרַב! הָתָם לָא מִינַּכְרָא מְחִיצְתָּא. הָכָא מִינַּכְרָא מְחִיצְתָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara seeks to clarify the conflicting opinions. **Rav said** that **it is permitted to move** objects **throughout the entire** roof. This is **difficult,** as there is an apparent contradiction between one statement **of Rav and** another statement **of Rav.** With regard to level roofs, Rav said that according to the Rabbis one may carry on each roof only within four cubits. The Gemara answers: **There,** in the case of a roof among roofs, **the** inner **partitions** between the houses **are not conspicuous,** and therefore, are not taken into consideration. **Here,** however, **the** outer **partitions** of a single house or group of houses **are conspicuous,** meaning that they are considered to extend upward and delineate the edge of the roof.


###### Eruvin 90a:10
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וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: אֵין מְטַלְטְלִין בּוֹ אֶלָּא בְּאַרְבַּע אַמּוֹת, קַשְׁיָא דִּשְׁמוּאֵל אַדִּשְׁמוּאֵל! הָתָם, לָא הָוֵי יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם. הָכָא, הָוֵי יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם, וְהָנֵי מְחִיצוֹת לְמַטָּה עֲבִידָן, לְמַעְלָה לָא עֲבִידָן, וְהָוֵה כְּקַרְפֵּף יָתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם שֶׁלֹּא הוּקַּף לְדִירָה, וְכׇל קַרְפֵּף יוֹתֵר מִבֵּית סָאתַיִם שֶׁלֹּא הוּקַּף לְדִירָה — אֵין מְטַלְטְלִין בּוֹ אֶלָּא בְּאַרְבַּע.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara returns to discuss Shmuel’s ruling. **And Shmuel said: One may carry only within four** cubits. Once again, it is **difficult,** as there is an apparent contradiction between one statement **of Shmuel and** another statement **of Shmuel,** who said that in the case of level roofs, according to the Rabbis one may carry throughout each separate roof. The Gemara answers: **There,** the area of the roof **is no greater than two *beit se’a*;** whereas **here,** the area **is greater than two *beit se’a*. And these partitions** of the house **were erected** for use **below** as partitions for the residence itself; **they were not erected to** serve as partitions for use on the roof **above.** Consequently, even if the walls are viewed as extending upward so that they constitute surrounding partitions for the roof, the legal status of the roof is **like** that of **an enclosure greater than two *beit se’a* that was not enclosed** from the outset for the purpose of **residence; and** the principle is that with regard to **any enclosure greater than two *beit se’a* that was not enclosed** from the outset **for** the purpose of **residence, one may move** an object **in it only within four cubits.**


###### Eruvin 90a:11
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אִיתְּמַר, סְפִינָה. רַב אָמַר: מוּתָּר לְטַלְטֵל בְּכוּלָּהּ, וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: אֵין מְטַלְטְלִין בָּהּ אֶלָּא בְּאַרְבַּע. רַב אָמַר: מוּתָּר לְטַלְטֵל בְּכוּלָּהּ —

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**It was** further **stated** that these same *amora’im* disagreed with regard to **a** large **ship. Rav said: It is permitted to move** an object **throughout** the entire ship, as it is all one domain; **and Shmuel said: One may move** an object **in it only within four** cubits. The Gemara proceeds to clarify their respective opinions. **Rav said: It is permitted to move** an object **throughout** the boat,