## Horayot Daf 13b

###### Horayot 13b:1
[Horayot 13b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/13b:1)

רַב פָּפָּא אָמַר: אֲפִילּוּ שׁוּפְתָּא [דְּ]מָרָא גָּיְיצִי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Pappa said: They gnaw even on the handle of a hoe.**


###### Horayot 13b:2
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תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן. חֲמִשָּׁה דְּבָרִים מְשַׁכְּחִים אֶת הַתַּלְמוּד: הָאוֹכֵל מִמַּה שֶּׁאוֹכֵל עַכְבָּר וּמִמַּה שֶּׁאוֹכֵל חָתוּל, וְהָאוֹכֵל לֵב שֶׁל בְּהֵמָה, וְהָרָגִיל בְּזֵיתִים, וְהַשּׁוֹתֶה מַיִם שֶׁל שִׁיּוּרֵי רְחִיצָה, וְהָרוֹחֵץ רַגְלָיו זוֹ עַל גַּבֵּי זוֹ. וְיֵשׁ אוֹמְרִים: אַף הַמַּנִּיחַ כֵּלָיו תַּחַת מְרַאֲשׁוֹתָיו. חֲמִשָּׁה דְּבָרִים מְשִׁיבִים אֶת הַתַּלְמוּד: פַּת פֶּחָמִין וְכׇל שֶׁכֵּן פֶּחָמִין עַצְמָן, וְהָאוֹכֵל בֵּיצָה מְגוּלְגֶּלֶת בְּלֹא מֶלַח, וְהָרָגִיל בְּשֶׁמֶן זַיִת, וְהָרָגִיל בְּיַיִן וּבְשָׂמִים, וְהַשּׁוֹתֶה מַיִם שֶׁל שִׁיּוּרֵי עִיסָּה. וְיֵשׁ אוֹמְרִים: אַף הַטּוֹבֵל אֶצְבָּעוֹ בְּמֶלַח וְאוֹכֵל.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **The Sages taught** in a *baraita*: There are **five factors** that **cause** one to **forget** his Torah **study: One who eats from that which a mouse eats and from that which a cat eats, and one who eats the heart of an animal, and one who is accustomed to** eating **olives, and one who drinks water that remains from washing, and one who washes his feet** with **this** foot **atop that** foot. **And some say: Also one who places his garments under his head.** Correspondingly, there are **five factors** that **restore** forgotten Torah **study:** Eating **bread baked on coals and all the more so** one who warms himself with the heat of the **coals themselves, and one who eats a hard-boiled egg [*beitza megulgelet*] without salt, and one who is accustomed to** eating **olive oil, and one who is accustomed to** drinking **wine and** smelling **spices, and one who drinks water that remains from** kneading **dough. And some say: Also one who dips his finger in salt and eats** it.


###### Horayot 13b:3
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״הָרָגִיל בְּשֶׁמֶן זַיִת״. מְסַיַּיע לֵיהּ לְרַבִּי יוֹחָנָן, דְּאָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: כְּשֵׁם שֶׁהַזַּיִת מְשַׁכֵּחַ תַּלְמוּד שֶׁל שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה, כָּךְ שֶׁמֶן זַיִת מֵשִׁיב תַּלְמוּד שֶׁל שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara elaborates on the *baraita*: **One who is accustomed to** eating **olive oil** restores forgotten Torah study. The Gemara notes: This **supports** the opinion of **Rabbi Yoḥanan, as Rabbi Yoḥanan said: Just as** eating **an olive causes** one **to forget seventy years’ worth of** Torah **study, olive oil restores seventy years’ worth of** Torah **study.**


###### Horayot 13b:4
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״וְהָרָגִיל בְּיַיִן וּבְשָׂמִים״. מְסַיַּיע לֵיהּ לְרָבָא, דְּאָמַר רָבָא: חַמְרָא וְרֵיחָנֵי פַּקַּחִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The *baraita* continues: **And one who is accustomed to** drinking **wine and** smelling **spices** restores forgotten Torah study. The Gemara notes: This **supports** the opinion of **Rava, as Rava said: Wine and spices rendered me wise.**


###### Horayot 13b:5
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״וְהַטּוֹבֵל אֶצְבָּעוֹ בְּמֶלַח״, אָמַר רֵישׁ לָקִישׁ: וּבְאַחַת. כְּתַנָּאֵי, רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: אַחַת וְלֹא שְׁתַּיִם, רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: שְׁתַּיִם וְלֹא שָׁלֹשׁ. וְסִימָנָיךְ: קְמִיצָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The *baraita* continues: **One who dips his finger in salt** and eats it restores forgotten Torah study. **Reish Lakish says: And** that is the case **with regard to one** finger. The Gemara notes: This is **parallel to** a dispute between ***tanna’im*. Rabbi Yehuda says: One** finger **but not two. Rabbi Yosei says: Two** fingers **but not three. And your mnemonic** for the fact that the dispute is between one and two fingers is ***kemitza*,** i.e., the ring finger. When one presses his ring finger to his palm, there remain two straight fingers on one side and one on the other.


###### Horayot 13b:6
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עֲשָׂרָה דְּבָרִים קָשִׁים לַתַּלְמוּד: הָעוֹבֵר תַּחַת הָאַפְסָר [הַגָּמָל] וְכׇל שֶׁכֵּן תַּחַת גָּמָל [עַצְמוֹ], וְהָעוֹבֵר בֵּין שְׁנֵי גְּמַלִּים, וְהָעוֹבֵר בֵּין שְׁתֵּי נָשִׁים, וְהָאִשָּׁה הָעוֹבֶרֶת בֵּין שְׁנֵי אֲנָשִׁים, וְהָעוֹבֵר מִתַּחַת רֵיחַ רַע שֶׁל נְבֵילָה, וְהָעוֹבֵר תַּחַת הַגֶּשֶׁר שֶׁלֹּא עָבְרוּ תַּחְתָּיו מַיִם אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם, וְהָאוֹכֵל פַּת שֶׁלֹּא בָּשַׁל כׇּל צָרְכּוֹ, וְהָאוֹכֵל בָּשָׂר מִזּוּהֲמָא לִיסְטְרוֹן, וְהַשּׁוֹתֶה מֵאַמַּת הַמַּיִם הָעוֹבֶרֶת בְּבֵית הַקְּבָרוֹת, וְהַמִּסְתַּכֵּל בִּפְנֵי הַמֵּת. וְיֵשׁ אוֹמְרִים: אַף הַקּוֹרֵא כְּתָב שֶׁעַל גַּבֵּי הַקֶּבֶר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Ten factors are detrimental for** Torah **study: One who passes beneath the bit of the camel, and all the more so** one who passes **beneath a camel itself; and one who passes between two camels; and one who passes between two women; and a woman who passes between two men; and one who passes beneath** a place where there is the **foul odor of an animal carcass; and one who passes under a bridge beneath which water has not passed** for **forty days; and one who eats bread that was not sufficiently baked; and one who eats meat from *zuhama listeron*,** a utensil consisting of a spoon and a fork, used to remove the film on the surface of soup; **and one who drinks from an aqueduct that passes through a cemetery; and one who gazes at the face of the dead. And some say: Also one who reads the writing that is on** the stone of **a grave.**


###### Horayot 13b:7
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תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: כְּשֶׁהַנָּשִׂיא נִכְנָס, כׇּל הָעָם עוֹמְדִים, וְאֵין יוֹשְׁבִים עַד שֶׁאוֹמֵר לָהֶם: שֵׁבוּ. כְּשֶׁאַב בֵּית דִּין נִכְנָס, עוֹשִׂים לוֹ שׁוּרָה אַחַת מִכָּאן וְשׁוּרָה אַחַת מִכָּאן, עַד שֶׁיֵּשֵׁב בִּמְקוֹמוֹ. כְּשֶׁחָכָם נִכְנָס, אֶחָד עוֹמֵד וְאֶחָד יוֹשֵׁב, עַד שֶׁיֵּשֵׁב בִּמְקוֹמוֹ. בְּנֵי חֲכָמִים וְתַלְמִידֵי חֲכָמִים, בִּזְמַן שֶׁרַבִּים צְרִיכִים לָהֶם – מַפְסִיעִין עַל רָאשֵׁי הָעָם. יָצָא לְצוֹרֶךְ – יִכָּנֵס וְיֵשֵׁב בִּמְקוֹמוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **The Sages taught** in a *baraita*: **When the *Nasi*** of the Sanhedrin **enters, all the people stand and they do not sit until he says to them: Sit. When the deputy *Nasi*** of the Sanhedrin **enters,** the people **form for him one row from here,** on this side of the path that he takes, **and one row from there,** on the other side of it, in a display of deference, **until he sits in his place,** and then they may be seated. **When the *Ḥakham*,** who is ranked third among the members of the Sanhedrin, **enters, one** person **stands** when he is within four cubits of the *Ḥakham*, **and another sits,** i.e., when one is no longer within four cubits of the *Ḥakham* he may sit. And all those whom the Ḥakham passes do this, **until he sits in his place. When the multitudes require their** services, i.e., they serve a public role, **sons of the Sages and Torah scholars may step over the heads of the people** seated on the ground in order to reach their places in the Sanhedrin. If one of the Sages **left for** the **purpose** of relieving himself, when he is finished **he may enter and sit in his place** in the Sanhedrin, and he need not be concerned that he is imposing upon those assembled.


###### Horayot 13b:8
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בְּנֵי תַּלְמִידֵי חֲכָמִים שֶׁמְּמוּנִּים אֲבִיהֶם פַּרְנָס עַל הַצִּבּוּר, בִּזְמַן שֶׁיֵּשׁ לָהֶם דַּעַת לִשְׁמוֹעַ – נִכְנָסִים וְיוֹשְׁבִים לִפְנֵי אֲבִיהֶם וַאֲחוֹרֵיהֶם כְּלַפֵּי הָעָם. בִּזְמַן שֶׁאֵין לָהֶם דַּעַת לִשְׁמוֹעַ – נִכְנָסִים וְיוֹשְׁבִים לִפְנֵי אֲבִיהֶם וּפְנֵיהֶם כְּלַפֵּי הַעָם. רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בַּר רַבִּי [צָדוֹק] אוֹמֵר: אַף בְּבֵית הַמִּשְׁתֶּה עוֹשִׂים אוֹתָם סְנִיפִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**When they have the wisdom to hear** and to study, **the sons of Torah scholars, whose fathers are appointed as leaders of the congregation, enter and sit before their fathers, and their backs** are directed **toward the people. When they do not have the wisdom to hear** and to study **they enter and sit before their fathers, and their faces** are directed **toward the people,** so everyone sees that they are seated there in deference to their fathers but not as students. **Rabbi Elazar, son of Rabbi Tzadok, says: Even at** a wedding **party one renders them attachments [*senifin*]** and seats them adjacent to their fathers.


###### Horayot 13b:9
[Horayot 13b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/13b:9)

[אָמַר מָר] יָצָא לְצוֹרֶךְ – נִכְנָס וְיוֹשֵׁב בִּמְקוֹמוֹ. אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: לֹא אָמְרוּ אֶלָּא לִקְטַנִּים, אֲבָל לִגְדוֹלִים – לָא, הֲוָה לֵיהּ לְמִבְדַּק נַפְשֵׁיהּ מֵעִיקָּרָא. דְּאָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר רַב: לְעוֹלָם יְלַמֵּד אָדָם עַצְמוֹ לְהַשְׁכִּים וּלְהַעֲרִיב, כְּדֵי שֶׁלֹּא יִתְרַחֵק. אָמַר רָבָא: הָאִידָּנָא דַּחֲלַשׁא עָלְמָא – אֲפִילּוּ לִגְדוֹלִים נָמֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**The Master said:** If one of the Sages **left for** the **purpose** of relieving himself, when he is finished **he may enter and sit in his place. Rav Pappa said:** The Sages **said** this **only** with regard to one who leaves **for minor** bodily functions, i.e., to urinate. **But** with regard to one who leaves **for major** bodily functions, i.e., to defecate, **no,** he may not return to his place, because **he should have examined himself initially** so that he would not need to leave. His failure to do so constitutes negligence and he may not impose upon others when he returns, **as Rav Yehuda says** that **Rav says: A person should always accustom himself to** relieving himself **in the morning and in the evening so that he will not** need to **distance himself** during the daylight hours to find an appropriate place. **Rava said: Today, when the world is weak** and people are not as healthy as they once were, one may **even** return after he leaves **for major** bodily functions.


###### Horayot 13b:10
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רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בַּר רַבִּי [צָדוֹק] אוֹמֵר: אַף בְּבֵית הַמִּשְׁתֶּה עוֹשִׂים אוֹתָם סְנִיפִים. אָמַר רָבָא: בְּחַיֵּי אֲבִיהֶם בִּפְנֵי אֲבִיהֶם.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Elazar, son of Rabbi Tzadok, says: Even at** a wedding **party one renders them attachments. Rava said:** This applies **during the lifetime of their fathers and in the presence of their fathers.**


###### Horayot 13b:11
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אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: בִּימֵי רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל נִישְׁנֵית מִשְׁנָה זוֹ. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל נָשִׂיא, רַבִּי מֵאִיר חָכָם, רַבִּי נָתָן אַב בֵּית דִּין. כִּי הֲוָה רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל הָתָם, הֲווֹ קָיְימִי כּוּלֵּי עָלְמָא מִקַּמֵּיהּ. כִּי הֲווֹ עָיְילִי רַבִּי מֵאִיר וְרַבִּי נָתָן, הֲווֹ קָיְימִי כּוּלֵּי עָלְמָא מִקַּמַּיְיהוּ. אָמַר רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל: לָא בָּעוּ לְמִיהְוֵי הֶיכֵּרָא בֵּין דִּילִי לְדִידְהוּ? תַּקֵּין הָא מַתְנִיתָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rabbi Yoḥanan says: This mishna,** i.e., the preceding *baraita*, **was taught during the days of Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel** was the ***Nasi*, Rabbi Meir** was the ***Ḥakham*,** and **Rabbi Natan** was the **deputy *Nasi*. When Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel was there, everyone would arise before him. When Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Natan would enter, everyone would arise before them. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel said: Shouldn’t there be a conspicuous distinction between me and them** in terms of the manner in which deference is shown? Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel **instituted** the provisions delineated in **this *baraita*** that distinguish between the *Nasi* and his subordinates with regard to the deference shown them.


###### Horayot 13b:12
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הָהוּא יוֹמָא לָא הֲווֹ רַבִּי מֵאִיר וְרַבִּי נָתָן הָתָם, לִמְחַר כִּי אֲתוֹ חֲזוֹ דְּלָא קָמוּ מִקַּמַּיְיהוּ כְּדִרְגִילָא מִילְּתָא, אָמְרִי: מַאי הַאי? אֲמַרוּ לְהוּ: הָכִי תַּקֵּין רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**That day,** when Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel instituted these provisions, **Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Natan were not there. The following day when they came** to the study hall, **they saw that** the people **did not stand before them as the matter was typically** done. **They said: What is this?** The people **said to them: This** is what **Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel instituted.**


###### Horayot 13b:13
[Horayot 13b:13](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/13b:13)

אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַבִּי מֵאִיר לְרַבִּי נָתָן: אֲנָא חָכָם וְאַתְּ אַב בֵּית דִּין, נְתַקֵּין מִילְּתָא כִּי לְדִידַן. מַאי נַעֲבֵיד לֵיהּ? נֵימָא לֵיהּ: גַּלִּי עוּקְצִים, דְּלֵית לֵיהּ. וְכֵיוָן דְּלָא גְּמִר, נֵימָא לֵיהּ: ״מִי יְמַלֵּל גְּבוּרוֹת ה׳ יַשְׁמִיעַ כׇּל תְּהִלָּתוֹ״, לְמִי נָאֶה לְמַלֵּל גְּבוּרוֹת ה׳ – מִי שֶׁיָּכוֹל לְהַשְׁמִיעַ כׇּל תְּהִלּוֹתָיו. נְעַבְּרֵיהּ, וְהָוֵי אֲנָא אַב בֵּית דִּין וְאַתְּ נָשִׂיא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Meir said to Rabbi Natan: I am** the ***Ḥakham* and you are** the **deputy *Nasi*. Let us devise a matter** and do to him **as he did to us. What shall we do to him? Let us say to him: Reveal** to us tractate ***Okatzim*, which he does not** know. **And once** it is clear to all **that he did not learn,** he will not have anything to say. Then **we will say to him: “Who can express the mighty acts of the Lord, shall make all His praises heard?”** (Psalms 106:2), indicating: **For whom is it becoming to express the mighty acts of the Lord?** It is becoming for **one who is capable of making all His praises heard,** and not for one who does not know one of the tractates. **We will remove him** from his position as *Nasi*, **and I will be deputy *Nasi* and you** will be ***Nasi*.**


###### Horayot 13b:14
[Horayot 13b:14](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/13b:14)

שַׁמְעִינְהוּ רַבִּי יַעֲקֹב בֶּן קֻדְשַׁי, אֲמַר: דִּלְמָא חַס וְשָׁלוֹם אָתְיָא מִלְּתָא לִידֵי כִּיסּוּפָא, אֲזַל יְתֵיב אֲחוֹרֵי עִילִּיתֵיהּ דְּרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל, פְּשַׁט, גְּרַס וּתְנָא, גְּרַס וּתְנָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Ya’akov ben Korshei heard them** talking, and **said: Perhaps, Heaven forfend,** this **matter** will **come to** a situation of **humiliation** for Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel. He did not wish to speak criticism or gossip about Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Natan, so **he went** and **sat behind the upper story** where **Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel** lived. **He explained** tractate *Okatzin*; **he studied** it aloud **and repeated** it, and **studied** it aloud **and repeated** it.


###### Horayot 13b:15
[Horayot 13b:15](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/13b:15)

אָמַר: מַאי דְּקַמָּא? דִּלְמָא חַס וְשָׁלוֹם אִיכָּא בֵּי מִדְרְשָׁא מִידֵּי, יְהַב דַּעְתֵּיהּ וְגַרְסַהּ. לִמְחַר אֲמַרוּ לֵיהּ: נֵיתֵי מָר וְנִיתְנֵי בְּעוּקְצִין, פְּתַח וַאֲמַר. בָּתַר דְּאוֹקֵים, אֲמַר לְהוּ: אִי לָא גְּמִירְנָא, כַּסֵּיפְיתֻּנַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel **said** to himself: **What** is this **that** is transpiring **before us? Perhaps, Heaven forfend, there is something** transpiring in **the study hall.** He suspected that Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Natan were planning something. **He concentrated and studied** tractate *Okatzin*. **The following** day Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Natan **said to him: Let the Master come and teach** a lesson **in** tractate ***Okatzin*. He began and stated** the lesson he had prepared. **After he completed** teaching the tractate, **he said to them: If I had not studied** the tractate, **you** would have **humiliated me.**


###### Horayot 13b:16
[Horayot 13b:16](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/13b:16)

פַּקֵּיד וְאַפְּקִינְהוּ מִבֵּי מִדְרְשָׁא. הֲווֹ כָּתְבִי קוּשְׁיָיתָא [בְּפִתְקָא] וְשָׁדוּ הָתָם. דַּהֲוָה מִיפְּרִיק – מִיפְּרִיק, דְּלָא הֲווֹ מִיפְּרִיק – כָּתְבִי פֵּירוּקֵי וְשָׁדוּ. אֲמַר לְהוּ רַבִּי יוֹסֵי: תּוֹרָה מִבַּחוּץ וְאָנוּ מִבִּפְנִים?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel **commanded** those present **and they expelled** Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Natan **from the study hall** as punishment. Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Natan **would write difficulties on a scrap of paper [*pitka*] and would throw** them **there** into the study hall. Those difficulties **that were resolved were resolved;** as for those **that were not resolved,** Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Natan **wrote resolutions** on a scrap of paper **and threw** them into the study hall. **Rabbi Yosei said to** the Sages: How is it that the **Torah,** embodied in the preeminent Torah scholars, **is outside and we are inside?**


###### Horayot 13b:17
[Horayot 13b:17](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/13b:17)

אָמַר לָהֶן רַבָּן [שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן] גַּמְלִיאֵל: נִיעַיְּילִינְהוּ, מִיהוּ נִיקְנְסִינְהוּ דְּלָא נֵימְרוּ שְׁמַעְתָּא מִשְּׁמַיְיהוּ. אַסִּיקוּ לְרַבִּי מֵאִיר אֲחֵרִים, וּלְרַבִּי נָתָן יֵשׁ אוֹמְרִים. אַחְווֹ לְהוּ בְּחֶלְמַיְיהוּ: זִילוּ פַּיְּיסוּהוּ [לְרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל], רַבִּי נָתָן אֲזַל, רַבִּי מֵאִיר לָא אֲזַל, אֲמַר: דִּבְרֵי חֲלוֹמוֹת לֹא מַעֲלִין וְלֹא מוֹרִידִין. כִּי אֲזַל רַבִּי נָתָן, אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל: נְהִי דְּאַהֲנִי לָךְ קַמְרָא דַּאֲבוּךְ לְמֶהֱוֵי אַב בֵּית דִּין, שַׁוִּינָיךְ נָמֵי נָשִׂיא?!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel said to them: Let us admit them** into the study hall. **But we will penalize them** in **that we will not cite *halakha* in their names. They cited** statements **of Rabbi Meir** in the name of ***Aḥerim*,** meaning: Others, **and** they cited statements **of Rabbi Natan** in the name of ***yesh omerim*,** meaning: Some say. Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Natan **were shown** a message **in their dreams: Go, appease Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel. Rabbi Natan went. Rabbi Meir did not go. He said** in his heart: **Matters of dreams are insignificant. When Rabbi Natan went, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel said to him: Although the** ornate **belt,** i.e., the importance, **of your father was effective** in enabling you **to become deputy *Nasi*,** as Rabbi Natan’s father was the Babylonian Exilarch, **will it render you *Nasi* as well?**


###### Horayot 13b:18
[Horayot 13b:18](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/13b:18)

מַתְנֵי לֵיהּ רַבִּי לְרַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בְּרֵיהּ, אֲחֵרִים אוֹמְרִים: אִילּוּ הָיָה תְּמוּרָה

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Years later, **Rabbi** Yehuda HaNasi **taught Rabban Shimon his son** that ***Aḥerim* say: If it was** considered **a substitute,**