## Horayot Daf 8b

###### Horayot 8b:1
[Horayot 8b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/8b:1)

״לְמִן הַיּוֹם אֲשֶׁר צִוָּה ה׳ וָהָלְאָה לְדוֹרוֹתֵיכֶם״, אֵיזוֹ הִיא מִצְוָה שֶׁהִיא נֶאֶמְרָה בִּתְחִלָּה? הֱוֵי אוֹמֵר: זוֹ עֲבוֹדָה זָרָה. וְהָא אָמַר מָר: עֶשֶׂר מִצְוֹת נִצְטַוּוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל בְּמָרָה (דִּכְתִיב: ״וְהָיָה אִם שָׁמוֹעַ תִּשְׁמַע לְקוֹל ה׳ אֱלֹהֶיךָ״)? אֶלָּא מְחַוַּורְתָּא כִדְשַׁנִּינַן מֵעִיקָּרָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
that it is derived from the verse: “All that the Lord has commanded you by the hand of Moses, **from the day that the Lord commanded and onward throughout your generations”** (Numbers 15:23). **Which is** the **mitzva that was stated at the beginning** of all the mitzvot? **You must say: This is idol worship,** as it is the first mitzva in the Ten Commandments. The Gemara asks: **But didn’t the Master say: The Jewish people were commanded ten mitzvot in Marah** soon after leaving Egypt, prior to the revelation at Sinai, **as it is written: “If you shall hearken to the voice of the Lord your God…**and listen to His mitzvot” (Exodus 15:26)? Evidently, there were mitzvot that preceded the prohibition against idol worship. **Rather, it is clear as we initially answered.**


###### Horayot 8b:2
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**מַתְנִי׳** אֵין חַיָּיבִין עַל עֲשֵׂה וְעַל לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה שֶׁבַּמִּקְדָּשׁ, וְאֵין מְבִיאִין אָשָׁם תָּלוּי עַל עֲשֵׂה וְעַל לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה שֶׁבַּמִּקְדָּשׁ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**MISHNA:** The court is **not liable** to bring a bull as an unwitting communal sin-offering for issuing a ruling with regard **to a positive** mitzva **or a prohibition related to** the defiling of **the Temple** by one being there while ritually impure, or the defiling of its sacrificial foods by one partaking of them while ritually impure. There is a positive mitzva to remove impure people from the Temple, and there is a prohibition against entering the Temple while in a state of ritual impurity. **And one does not bring a provisional guilt-offering for a positive** mitzva **or a prohibition related to** the defiling of **the Temple** or its sacrificial foods.


###### Horayot 8b:3
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אֲבָל חַיָּיבִין עַל עֲשֵׂה וְעַל לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה שֶׁבַּנִּדָּה, וּמְבִיאִים אָשָׁם תָּלוּי עַל עֲשֵׂה וְעַל לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה שֶׁבַּנִּדָּה. אֵיזוֹ הִיא מִצְוַת עֲשֵׂה שֶׁבַּנִּדָּה? פְּרוֹשׁ מִן הַנִּדָּה. וּמִצְוַת לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה? אַל תָּבֹא עַל הַנִּדָּה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**But** the court **is liable** to bring a bull **for a positive** mitzva **or** for **a prohibition that is related to a menstruating woman, and one brings a provisional guilt-offering for a positive** mitzva **or** for **a prohibition that is related to a menstruating woman. What is** the **positive mitzva that is related to a menstruating woman? Distance** yourself **from the menstruating woman.** If a man engages in intercourse with a woman and she begins menstruating, he is required to separate from her. **And what is the prohibition? Do not engage in intercourse with** a woman whom you know is **a menstruating woman.**


###### Horayot 8b:4
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**גְּמָ׳** מְנָא הָנֵי מִילֵּי דְּצִבּוּר לָא מְחַיְּיבִי קׇרְבָּן בְּעָלְמָא, וְיָחִיד אָשָׁם תָּלוּי נָמֵי לָא?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**GEMARA:** The Gemara asks: **From where are these matters** derived? That is, from where is it derived **that** the general **public is not liable** to bring any **offering at all** for a sin like the defiling of the Temple, which carries no liability for an individual to bring a fixed sin-offering for violating it unwittingly, **and** from where is it derived that **an individual too** is **not** liable to bring **a provisional guilt-offering** for the defiling of the Temple?


###### Horayot 8b:5
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אָמַר רַב יִצְחָק בַּר אַבְדִּימִי: נֶאֱמַר ״וְאָשֵׁם״ בְּחַטָּאת וּבְאָשָׁם תָּלוּי, וְנֶאֱמַר ״וְאָשֵׁמוּ״ בְּצִבּוּר. מָה ״וְאָשֵׁם״ בְּיָחִיד – בְּחַטָּאת קְבוּעָה, אַף ״וְאָשֵׁמוּ״ בְּצִבּוּר – בְּחַטָּאת קְבוּעָה,

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Yitzḥak bar Avdimi says:** The term **“and he is guilty” is stated with regard to a sin-offering** (Leviticus 4:27) **and with regard to a provisional guilt-offering** (Leviticus 5:17), **and** the similar term: **“And they are guilty”** (Leviticus 4:13), **is stated with regard to** the general **public. Just as** the term **“and he is guilty”** that is stated **with regard to an individual** is **concerning** a transgression for which one is liable to bring **a fixed sin-offering,** as it is written there, **so too,** the term **“and they are guilty”** that is stated **with regard to** the general **public** is **concerning** a transgression for which one is liable to bring **a fixed sin-offering.** For the defiling of the Temple or its sacrificial foods one is liable to bring a sliding-scale offering, not a fixed offering.


###### Horayot 8b:6
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וּמָה צִבּוּר בְּחַטָּאת קְבוּעָה, אַף אָשָׁם תָּלוּי נָמֵי אֵין בָּא אֶלָּא עַל סְפֵק חַטָּאת קְבוּעָה. אָמְרִי: אִי הָכִי, קׇרְבָּן עוֹלֶה וְיוֹרֵד נָמֵי, הָא כְּתִיב: ״וְהָיָה כִּי יֶאְשַׁם לְאַחַת מֵאֵלֶּה״! דָּנִין (״אָשֵׁם״ מִן ״אָשֵׁמוּ״) [״אָשֵׁמוּ״ מִן ״אָשֵׁם״], וְאֵין דָּנִין ״אָשֵׁם״ מִן ״יֶאְשַׁם״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And just as with regard to** a transgression performed by the general **public** the liability is to bring **a fixed sin-offering, so too, a provisional guilt-offering comes only for uncertainty** with regard to a transgression that renders one obligated to bring **a fixed sin-offering.** This is the source for the fact that there is no liability to bring a sin-offering if the general public defiles the Temple or its sacrificial foods, and individuals are not liable to bring a provisional guilt-offering for those transgressions. The Sages **say: If so,** and the derivation is based on that term, this is difficult, as **isn’t it also written** with regard to **a sliding-scale offering: “And it shall be when he shall be guilty of one of these matters”** (Leviticus 5:5)? The Gemara responds: **One derives** the meaning of **“they are guilty” from** the meaning of **“he is guilty,” but one does not derive** the meaning of **“he is guilty” from** the meaning of **“he shall be guilty,”** even though both are stated in the singular.


###### Horayot 8b:7
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וּמַאי נָפְקָא מִינַּהּ? וְהָא תָּנֵי דְּבֵי רַבִּי יִשְׁמָעֵאל: ״וְשָׁב הַכֹּהֵן״ וּבָא הַכֹּהֵן״ – זוֹ הִיא שִׁיבָה, זוֹ הִיא בִּיאָה! וְעוֹד: נֵילַף מִן ״וְאָשֵׁם״ מִטּוּמְאַת מִקְדָּשׁ וְקָדָשָׁיו, דִּכְתִיב: ״וְהוּא טָמֵא וְאָשֵׁם״!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **And what difference** is there between the different verb conjugations? **But didn’t the school of Rabbi Yishmael teach** a verbal analogy with regard to leprosy of houses? The verse states: **“And the priest shall return [*veshav*]”** (Leviticus 14:39), and another verse with regard to the priest’s visit seven days later states: **“And the priest shall come [*uva*]** and look” (Leviticus 14:44). **This returning** and **this coming** have the same meaning and one can therefore derive by verbal analogy that the *halakha* that applies if the leprosy had spread at the conclusion of the first week applies if it had spread again by the end of the following week. If a verbal analogy can be derived between two different terms, it can certainly be derived from two conjugations of the same term. **And furthermore, let us derive** the *halakha* **from** the term **“and he is guilty,”** written **with regard to the defiling of** the **Temple or its sacrificial** foods, **as it is written: “And he is ritually impure and he is guilty”** (Leviticus 5:2), which is a verbal analogy between identical terms.


###### Horayot 8b:8
[Horayot 8b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/8b:8)

אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: דָּנִין ״וְאָשֵׁם״ וּ״מִצְוֹת ה׳״ מִן ״וְאָשֵׁם״ וּ״מִצְוֹת ה׳״. אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב שִׁימִי בַּר אָשֵׁי לְרַב פָּפָּא: וְנֵילַף ״וְאָשֵׁם״ וּנְשִׂיאַת עָוֹן מִן ״וְאָשֵׁם״ וּנְשִׂיאַת עָוֹן!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Pappa says: One derives** the meaning of: **“And he is guilty,” and: “The commandments of the Lord”** (Leviticus 5:17), which are written with regard to a provisional guilt-offering, **from** the meaning of: **“And they are guilty,” and: “The commandments of the Lord”** (Leviticus 4:13), which are written with regard to the unwitting communal sin-offering. The phrase: The commandments of the Lord, is not written with regard to the sliding-scale offering. **Rav Shimi bar Ashi said to Rav Pappa: Let us derive** the meaning of: **“And he is guilty and bearing of iniquity”** (see Leviticus 5:1, 4), **from** the meaning of: **“And he is guilty and bearing of iniquity”** (Leviticus 5:17).


###### Horayot 8b:9
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אֶלָּא אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן בַּר יִצְחָק: דָּנִין ״וְאָשֵׁם״ וּ״מִצְוֹת ה׳ אֲשֶׁר לֹא תֵעָשֶׂינָה״ – מִ״וְאָשֵׁם וּמִצְוֹת ה׳ אֲשֶׁר לֹא תֵעָשֶׂינָה״. וְאַל יוֹכִיחַ שְׁמִיעַת קוֹל וּבִיטּוּי שְׂפָתַיִם וְטוּמְאַת מִקְדָּשׁ וְקָדָשָׁיו, שֶׁלֹּא נֶאֱמַר בָּהֶם ״וְאָשֵׁם״ וּ״מִצְוֹת ה׳ אֲשֶׁר לֹא תֵעָשֶׂינָה״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather, Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak says: One derives** the meaning of **“and he is guilty” and “the commandments of the Lord that shall not be done”** written with regard to a provisional guilt-offering, **from** the meaning of: **“And he is guilty,” and: “The commandments of the Lord that shall not be done”** (Leviticus 4:27), written with regard to a fixed sin-offering. **And** the cases of **hearing of a voice,** i.e., an oath of testimony, **and a statement of the lips,** i.e., an oath on an utterance, **and the defiling of** the **Temple or its sacrificial** foods, for which one is liable to bring a sliding-scale offering, **shall not prove** otherwise, **as it is not stated concerning them: And he is guilty, and: The commandments of the Lord that shall not be done.**


###### Horayot 8b:10
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**מַתְנִי׳** אֵין חַיָּיבִין עַל שְׁמִיעַת קוֹל, וְעַל בִּיטּוּי שְׂפָתַיִם, וְעַל טוּמְאַת מִקְדָּשׁ וְקָדָשָׁיו. וְהַנָּשִׂיא כַּיּוֹצֵא בָּהֶם, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי. רַבִּי עֲקִיבָא אוֹמֵר: הַנָּשִׂיא חַיָּיב בְּכוּלָּן חוּץ מִשְּׁמִיעַת הַקּוֹל, שֶׁהַמֶּלֶךְ לֹא דָּן וְלֹא דָּנִין אוֹתוֹ [לֹא מֵעִיד וְלֹא מְעִידִין אוֹתוֹ].

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**MISHNA:** The court **is not liable for** issuing a ruling with regard to **hearing of a voice,** i.e., a false oath of testimony taken by a witness who refuses to testify on behalf of a litigant who demands that he testify, **or for an utterance of the lips,** i.e., a false oath stated about some matter, **or for the defiling of** the **Temple or its sacrificial** foods. **And the** status of the **king is like** that of the court, and he is exempt from bringing an offering in those cases; this is **the statement of Rabbi Yosei HaGelili. Rabbi Akiva says: The king is liable in all of** those cases **except for** the case of **hearing of a voice,** and even in that case, his exemption is not intrinsic to the mitzva. Rather, it is for technical reasons, **as the king neither judges** others **nor** do others **judge him; he does not testify nor** do others **testify against him.** Therefore, a demand that he testify is not applicable.


###### Horayot 8b:11
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**גְּמָ׳** אָמַר עוּלָּא: מַאי טַעְמָא דְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי? אָמַר קְרָא: ״וְהָיָה כִי יֶאְשַׁם לְאַחַת מֵאֵלֶּה״, כֹּל שֶׁמִּתְחַיֵּיב בְּאַחַת – מִתְחַיֵּיב בְּכוּלָּן, וְשֶׁאֵין מִתְחַיֵּיב בְּאַחַת – אֵין מִתְחַיֵּיב בְּכוּלָּן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**GEMARA:** **Ulla said: What is the reason** for the opinion **of Rabbi Yosei HaGelili?** It is as **the verse states** with regard to a sliding-scale offering: **“And it shall be when he shall be guilty of one of these matters”** (Leviticus 5:5), indicating that **anyone who becomes liable in** every **one** of the instances for which one brings a sliding-scale offering **becomes liable in all of** those instances; **and anyone who does not become liable in** every **one** of the instances to bring a sliding-scale offering **does not become liable in any of** those instances. Since the king is exempt from taking an oath of testimony, he is exempt in the other cases as well.


###### Horayot 8b:12
[Horayot 8b:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/8b:12)

וְאֵימָא: מִתְחַיֵּיב בְּאַחַת מֵהֶן, וְאַף עַל פִּי שֶׁאֵין מִתְחַיֵּיב בְּכוּלָּן!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: Why say this? **And say** an alternative interpretation of the verse: **Anyone who becomes liable in** any **one of these** instances brings a sliding-scale offering, **and** this is the *halakha* **even though he does not become liable in all of them.**


###### Horayot 8b:13
[Horayot 8b:13](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Horayot/r/8b:13)

אֶלָּא טַעְמָא דְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי הַגְּלִילִי מֵהָכָא, דְּתַנְיָא, הָיָה רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה אוֹמֵר: נֶאֱמַר

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather, the reason** for the opinion **of Rabbi Yosei HaGelili is from here, as it is taught** in a *baraita* that **Rabbi Yirmeya would say: It is stated:**