## Ketubot Daf 16b

###### Ketubot 16b:1
[Ketubot 16b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:1)

וְזוֹ, הוֹאִיל וְאֵין לָהּ קוֹל — אִיתְּרַע לֵהּ רוּבָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**and** with regard to **this** woman, **because her** marriage **did not generate publicity, the** effect of the **majority is undermined.**


###### Ketubot 16b:2
[Ketubot 16b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:2)

אִי כׇּל הַנִּשֵּׂאת בְּתוּלָה יֵשׁ לָהּ קוֹל — כִּי אֲתוֹ עֵדִים, מַאי הָוֵי? הָנָךְ סָהֲדֵי שַׁקָּרֵי נִינְהוּ! אֶלָּא אָמַר רָבִינָא: רוֹב הַנִּשֵּׂאת בְּתוּלָה יֵשׁ לָהּ קוֹל, וְזוֹ הוֹאִיל וְאֵין לָהּ קוֹל — אִיתְּרַע לֵהּ רוּבָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **If** in fact, the marriage of **anyone who is married** as **a virgin generates publicity,** and the marriage of this woman did not generate publicity, **when witnesses come, what of it? These are false witnesses,** as their testimony runs counter to the presumption governing all marriages. **Rather, Ravina said** that it is not a universal presumption, but a majority. The marriage of **most** women **who are married** as **virgins generates publicity, but** for **this** woman, **since her** marriage **did not generate publicity, the** effect of the **majority is undermined.** Therefore, the testimony that she went out of her father’s house to her wedding with a *hinnuma* overrides the lack of publicity.


###### Ketubot 16b:3
[Ketubot 16b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:3)

אִם יֵשׁ עֵדִים שֶׁיָּצְתָה בְּהִינוּמָא וְכוּ׳. וְלֵיחוּשׁ דִּלְמָא מַפְּקָא עֵדִים בְּהַאי בֵּי דִינָא, וְגָבְיָא, וַהֲדַר מַפְּקָא לַהּ לִכְתוּבָה בְּהַאי בֵּית דִּין, וְגָבְיָא בַּהּ? אָמַר רַבִּי אֲבָהוּ: זֹאת אוֹמֶרֶת כּוֹתְבִין שׁוֹבָר. רַב פָּפָּא אָמַר: בִּמְקוֹם שֶׁאֵין כּוֹתְבִין כְּתוּבָּה עָסְקִינַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ It was stated in the mishna: **If there are witnesses that she went out** of her father’s house to her wedding **with a *hinnuma*,** or with her hair uncovered, in a manner typical of virgins, payment of her marriage contract is two hundred dinars. The Gemara asks: **And** since she collects payment without producing her marriage contract, **let us be concerned** that **she might produce witnesses in this court and collect** payment, **and then produce** her **marriage contract in that** other **court and collect with it** payment a second time. **Rabbi Abbahu said: This indicates** that **one writes a receipt** indicating that the woman received payment. Were the woman to attempt to collect payment of her marriage contract a second time, her husband would produce the receipt. **Rav Pappa said: We are dealing** in the mishna **with a place where one does not write a marriage contract.** It is only in a case where there is no concern lest she produce her marriage contract that she collects payment based on the testimony of witnesses.


###### Ketubot 16b:4
[Ketubot 16b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:4)

וְאִיכָּא דְּמַתְנֵי לַהּ אַבָּרַיְיתָא: אִיבְּדָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ, הִטְמִינָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ, נִשְׂרְפָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ, רָקְדוּ לְפָנֶיהָ, שָׂחֲקוּ לְפָנֶיהָ, הֶעֱבִירוּ לְפָנֶיהָ כּוֹס שֶׁל בְּשׂוֹרָה, אוֹ מַפָּה שֶׁל בְּתוּלִים. אִם יֵשׁ לָהּ עֵדִים בְּאֶחָד מִכׇּל אֵלּוּ — כְּתוּבָּתָהּ מָאתַיִם.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And there are** some **who teach** the dispute between Rabbi Abbahu and Rav Pappa with regard **to the *baraita*** that says: In a case where a woman **lost her marriage contract** or **concealed her marriage contract** and she claims that she is unable to find it; or **her marriage contract was burned,** and there is no proof with regard to the sum to which she is entitled; or practices performed exclusively at the weddings of virgins were performed at her wedding, e.g., people **danced before her,** or **played before her,** or **passed before her a cup of** good **tidings or a cloth of virginity; if she has witnesses with regard to any one of these** practices, **her marriage contract is two hundred** dinars.


###### Ketubot 16b:5
[Ketubot 16b:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:5)

וְלֵיחוּשׁ דִּלְמָא מַפְּקָא עֵדִים בְּהַאי בֵּית דִּין וְגָבְיָא, וַהֲדַר מַפְּקָא לִכְתוּבָּתָהּ בְּהַאי בֵּית דִּין וְגָבְיָא בַּהּ! אָמַר רַבִּי אֲבָהוּ: זֹאת אוֹמֶרֶת כּוֹתְבִין שׁוֹבָר. רַב פָּפָּא אָמַר: בִּמְקוֹם שֶׁאֵין כּוֹתְבִין כְּתוּבָּה עָסְקִינַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **And** since she collects payment without producing her marriage contract, **let us be concerned** that **she might produce witnesses in this court and collect** payment, **and then produce** her **marriage contract in that** other **court and collect** payment **with it** a second time. **Rabbi Abbahu said: This indicates** that **one writes a receipt** indicating that the woman received payment. Were the woman to attempt to collect payment of her marriage contract a second time, her husband would produce the receipt. **Rav Pappa said: We are dealing** in the mishna **with a place where one does not write a marriage contract.**


###### Ketubot 16b:6
[Ketubot 16b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:6)

וְהָא ״אִיבְּדָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ״ קָתָנֵי! דִּכְתַב לַהּ אִיהוּ. סוֹף סוֹף מַפְּקָא לַהּ וְגָבְיָא בַּהּ! מַאי ״אִיבְּדָה״ — אִיבְּדָה בָּאוּר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **But** how could Rav Pappa say that the *baraita* is dealing with a place where one does not write a marriage contract? **Isn’t it taught** in that *baraita*: If a woman **lost her marriage contract?** The Gemara answers: The *baraita* is referring to a case **where** her husband **wrote her** a marriage contract contrary to the local custom. The Gemara asks: If he wrote her a marriage contract, the concern remains that **ultimately she** will **produce** the marriage contract **and collect** payment **with it** a second time. The Gemara answers: **What** is the meaning of **lost?** The woman **lost** her marriage contract **in the fire.** In that case, there is no longer any concern.


###### Ketubot 16b:7
[Ketubot 16b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:7)

אִי הָכִי הַיְינוּ ״נִשְׂרְפָה״? וְעוֹד: הִטְמִינָה, מַאי אִיכָּא לְמֵימַר? וְתוּ: אִיבְּדָה לְמָה לִי? אֶלָּא: כֹּל אִיבְּדָה — כִּי הִטְמִינָה בְּפָנֵינוּ דָּמֵי, וְלָא יָהֲבִינַן לַהּ עַד דְּאָמְרִי עֵדִים נִשְׂרְפָה כְּתוּבָּתָהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **If so, that is** the case of: Her marriage contract **was burned,** listed separately in the *baraita*. **And furthermore, what is there to say** with regard to the case of **concealed,** where the concern that she will collect payment twice remains? **And furthermore,** if burned comes to explain the meaning of lost, **why do I** need the *baraita* to list the case of **lost** at all? It would have been sufficient for the *baraita* to mention the case of a burned marriage contract. **Rather,** the meaning of the *baraita* is: The legal status of **any** case where the woman claims that **she lost** her marriage contract **is like** that of a case **where she concealed** it **before us, and we give her** payment of her marriage contract **only when the witnesses say that her marriage contract was burned.** Otherwise, even if witnesses testify that the practices characteristic of the wedding of a virgin were performed at her wedding, she does not collect payment of her marriage contract.


###### Ketubot 16b:8
[Ketubot 16b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:8)

מַאן דְּמַתְנֵי לַהּ אַבָּרַיְיתָא — כׇּל שֶׁכֵּן אַמַּתְנִיתִין. וּמַאן דְּמַתְנֵי לַהּ אַמַּתְנִיתִין — אֲבָל אַבָּרַיְיתָא לָא, כִּי קוּשְׁיָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara notes: **The one who teaches this** dispute between Rabbi Abbahu and Rav Pappa with regard **to the *baraita*, all the more so** would he teach it with regard **to the mishna.** Applying Rav Pappa’s opinion to the mishna does not necessitate the emendation and reinterpretation necessitated by its application to the *baraita*. **However, the one who teaches this** dispute with regard **to the mishna** would **not** teach it then with regard **to the *baraita*, in accordance with the difficulty** raised there, as the plain meaning of the *baraita* is that it is a place where one writes a marriage contract.


###### Ketubot 16b:9
[Ketubot 16b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:9)

אִם יֵשׁ עֵדִים כּוּ׳. וְלֵיחוּשׁ דִּלְמָא מַפְּקָא עֵדֵי הִינּוּמָא בְּהַאי בֵּית דִּין וְגָבְיָא, וַהֲדַר מַפְּקָא עֵדֵי הִינּוּמָא בְּבֵי דִינָא אַחֲרִינָא וְגָבְיָא! בְּמָקוֹם דְּלָא אֶפְשָׁר וַדַּאי כָּתְבִינַן שׁוֹבָר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
With regard to that same passage in the mishna: **If there are witnesses** that she went out of her father’s house to her wedding with a *hinnuma*, or with her hair uncovered, in a manner typical of virgins, payment of her marriage contract is two hundred dinars, the Gemara asks: **But let us be concerned lest she** first **produce witnesses** that she went out with **a *hinnuma*, in this court, and collect** payment, **and then produce witnesses** that she went out with **a *hinnuma*, in that court, and collect** payment a second time. The Gemara answers: **In a place where it is not possible** to guarantee that she will not collect her marriage contract more than once in any other way, **certainly we write a receipt,** even according to the opinion that as a rule, one does not write a receipt.


###### Ketubot 16b:10
[Ketubot 16b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:10)

הֶעֱבִירוּ לְפָנֶיהָ כּוֹס שֶׁל בְּשׂוֹרָה. מַאי ״כּוֹס שֶׁל בְּשׂוֹרָה״? אָמַר רַב אַדָּא בַּר אַהֲבָה: כּוֹס יַיִן שֶׁל תְּרוּמָה מַעֲבִירִין לְפָנֶיהָ. כְּלוֹמַר: רְאוּיָה הָיְתָה זוֹ לֶאֱכוֹל בִּתְרוּמָה. מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רַב פָּפָּא: אַטּוּ אַלְמָנָה מִי לָא אָכְלָה בִּתְרוּמָה? אֶלָּא אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: זוֹ רֵאשִׁית, כִּתְרוּמָה רֵאשִׁית.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ It is taught in that *baraita*: Or **passed before her a cup of** good **tidings.** The Gemara asks: **What is a cup of good tidings? Rav Adda bar Ahava says: A cup of *teruma* wine is passed before** the virgin bride, **meaning** that **this** woman **would have been eligible to eat *teruma*** had she married a priest. **Rav Pappa** strongly **objects to** this: **Is that to say** that **a widow does not eat *teruma*** if she marries a priest? Clearly she does. Therefore, what is the proof from *teruma* that she is a virgin? **Rather, Rav Pappa says:** The cup of *teruma* is passed before her to indicate that **this bride is first,** as she has not yet engaged in intercourse, **like *teruma*** that **is** the **first** gift separated from the produce.


###### Ketubot 16b:11
[Ketubot 16b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:11)

תַּנְיָא, רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: חָבִית שֶׁל יַיִן מַעֲבִירִין לְפָנֶיהָ. אָמַר רַב אַדָּא בַּר אַהֲבָה: בְּתוּלָה — מַעֲבִירִין לְפָנֶיהָ סְתוּמָה, בְּעוּלָה — מַעֲבִירִין לְפָנֶיהָ פְּתוּחָה. אַמַּאי? נִיעַבַּר קַמֵּי בְּתוּלָה וְקַמֵּי בְּעוּלָה לָא נִיעַבַּר כְּלָל! זִימְנִין דְּתָפְסָה מָאתַיִם, וְאָמְרָה: אֲנָא בְּתוּלָה הֲוַאי, וְהַאי דְּלָא עַבַּרוּ קַמַּאי — אִתְּנוֹסֵי הוּא דְּאִתְּנִיסוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**It is taught** in a *baraita* that **Rabbi Yehuda says:** The custom is that **one passes a barrel of wine before her. Rav Adda bar Ahava said: One passes a sealed** barrel of wine **before a virgin, and one passes an open** barrel of wine **before a non-virgin.** The Gemara asks: **Why** is that necessary? **Let us pass** the sealed barrel **before the virgin, and before the non-virgin let us not pass** a barrel **at all.** Why is it necessary to publicize the fact that she is a non-virgin? The Gemara explains: It is necessary, as, **at times** there could be a case where a non-virgin unilaterally **seized two hundred** dinars as payment for her marriage contract **and said: I was a virgin, and** the fact **that they did not pass** a sealed barrel **before me was due to circumstances beyond their control.** In order to prevent deceit of that kind, an open barrel is passed before the non-virgin, so that people will remember that she is not a virgin.


###### Ketubot 16b:12
[Ketubot 16b:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Ketubot/r/16b:12)

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: כֵּיצַד מְרַקְּדִין לִפְנֵי הַכַּלָּה? בֵּית שַׁמַּאי אוֹמְרִים:

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **The Sages taught: How does one dance before the bride,** i.e., what does one recite while dancing at her wedding? **Beit Shammai say:**