## Kiddushin Daf 68b

###### Kiddushin 68b:1
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וְלָדָהּ כְּמוֹתָהּ מְנָלַן? דְּאָמַר קְרָא: ״הָאִשָּׁה וִילָדֶיהָ תִּהְיֶה לַאדֹנֶיהָ״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**from where do we** derive that **her offspring is like her?** The Gemara answers: **As the verse states** with regard to a Hebrew slave who marries a Canaanite maidservant: **“The wife and her children shall be her master’s”** (Exodus 21:4). This indicates that the offspring of a Canaanite maidservant and a Hebrew slave are slaves, as she is.


###### Kiddushin 68b:2
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נׇכְרִית מְנָלַן? אָמַר קְרָא: ״לֹא תִתְחַתֵּן בָּם״. אַשְׁכַּחְנָא דְּלָא תָּפְסִי בַּהּ קִידּוּשֵׁי, וְלָדָהּ כְּמוֹתָהּ מְנָלַן?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara asks: **From where do we** derive that betrothal with **a gentile woman** is ineffective? **The verse states: “Neither shall you make marriages with them”** (Deuteronomy 7:3), which teaches that marrying gentile women is halakhically meaningless. The Gemara asks: **We have found that betrothal is ineffective with her; from where do we** derive that **her offspring is like her?**


###### Kiddushin 68b:3
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אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן מִשּׁוּם רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יוֹחַי: דְּאָמַר קְרָא: ״כִּי יָסִיר אֶת בִּנְךָ מֵאַחֲרַי״ – בִּנְךָ הַבָּא מִיִּשְׂרְאֵלִית קָרוּי בִּנְךָ, וְאֵין בִּנְךָ הַבָּא מִן הַנׇּכְרִית קָרוּי בִּנְךָ, אֶלָּא בְּנָהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Yoḥanan says in the name of Rabbi Shimon ben Yoḥai: As the verse states** with regard to the same issue: “Your daughter you shall not give to his son…**for he will turn away your son from following Me”** (Deuteronomy 7:3–4). Since the verse is concerned that after one’s daughter marries a gentile, the father will lead his children away from the service of God, this indicates that **your son,** i.e., your grandson, **from a Jewish woman is called “your son”** by the Torah, **but your son from a gentile woman is not called your son, but her son.**


###### Kiddushin 68b:4
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אָמַר רָבִינָא: שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ: בֶּן בִּתְּךָ הַבָּא מִן הַנׇּכְרִי – קָרוּי בִּנְךָ. נֵימָא קָסָבַר רָבִינָא נׇכְרִי וְעֶבֶד הַבָּא עַל בַּת יִשְׂרָאֵל – הַוָּלָד מַמְזֵר?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Ravina said: Learn from** it that **the son of your daughter, born to a gentile, is called your son** in all regards. The Gemara asks: **Shall we say** that **Ravina holds** that with regard to **a gentile or** a Canaanite **slave who engaged in sexual intercourse with a Jewish woman, the offspring is a *mamzer*?** One can infer from the fact that the offspring of this union is called “your son” that he is a Jew, and therefore the principle stated in the mishna should apply: If a woman cannot join in betrothal with someone, their child is a *mamzer*.


###### Kiddushin 68b:5
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נְהִי דְּכָשֵׁר לָא הָוֵי, מַמְזֵר לָא הָוֵי, פָּסוּל מִיקְּרֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this suggestion: **Although he is not a fit** offspring, **he is** also **not a *mamzer*.** Rather, **he is** merely **called disqualified.** Since betrothal is inapplicable to a gentile, a gentile is not included in the category of someone with whom a Jewish woman cannot personally join in betrothal, as no Jewish women can be betrothed to him. Nevertheless, as their child’s birth is the result of a transgression, he is considered disqualified.


###### Kiddushin 68b:6
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הָהוּא בְּשִׁבְעָה גּוֹיִם כְּתִיב, שְׁאָר אוּמּוֹת מְנָלַן? אָמַר קְרָא: ״כִּי יָסִיר אֶת בִּנְךָ״ – לְרַבּוֹת כׇּל הַמְּסִירִים.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks a question with regard to Rabbi Yoḥanan’s statement. **That** verse: “Neither shall you make marriages with them” (Deuteronomy 7:3), **is written with regard to the seven nations** of Canaan. **From where do we** derive that betrothal does not take effect with the **other nations?** The Gemara answers: **The verse states** as a reason for prohibiting intermarriages: **“For he will turn away your son** from following Me,” which serves **to include all those who might turn** a child **away,** no matter from which nation.


###### Kiddushin 68b:7
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הָנִיחָא לְרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן, דְּדָרֵישׁ טַעְמָא דִּקְרָא. אֶלָּא לְרַבָּנַן, מַאי טַעְמָא?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **This works out well according to** the opinion of **Rabbi Shimon, who expounds the reason** for the mitzvot of **the verse** and rules accordingly. Since the reason is that the gentile might turn away the son’s heart, there should be no distinction between the Canaanite nations and other gentiles. **But according to** the opinion of **the Rabbis,** who do not expound the reason for the mitzvot of the verse and rule accordingly, since the verse mentions only the Canaanite nations, **what is the reason,** the source for the prohibition, with regard to the other nations?


###### Kiddushin 68b:8
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אָמַר קְרָא: ״וְאַחַר כֵּן תָּבוֹא אֵלֶיהָ וּבְעַלְתָּהּ וְגוֹ׳״ – מִכְּלָל דְּמֵעִיקָּרָא לָא תָּפְסִי בַּהּ קִידּוּשִׁין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara answers: **The verse states** with regard to a beautiful captive woman: **“And after that you may go in to her and be her husband,** and she shall be your wife” (Deuteronomy 21:13). One can derive from here **by inference that at the outset,** before she became a Jew, **betrothal would not take effect with her,** despite the fact that he had already brought her into his house, and according to some opinions, had even engaged in sexual intercourse with her.


###### Kiddushin 68b:9
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אַשְׁכְּחַן דְּלָא תָּפְסִי בַּהּ קִידּוּשִׁין, וְלָדָהּ כְּמוֹתָהּ מְנָלַן? אָמַר קְרָא: ״כִּי תִהְיֶיןָ לְאִישׁ... וְיָלְדוּ לוֹ״ – כֹּל הֵיכָא דְּקָרֵינַן בֵּיהּ ״כִּי תִּהְיֶינָה״, קָרֵינַן בֵּיהּ ״וְיָלְדוּ לוֹ״. וְכֹל הֵיכָא דְּלָא קָרֵינַן בֵּיהּ ״כִּי תִּהְיֶינָה״ – לָא קָרֵינַן בֵּיהּ ״וְיָלְדוּ לוֹ״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks another question: **We found** a source for the *halakha* that **betrothal is ineffective with her; from where do we** derive that **her child is like her?** The Gemara answers that **the verse states: “If a man has** two wives, the one beloved and the one hated, **and they have borne him** children” (Deuteronomy 21:15), from which it is derived: **Anywhere that we read: “If he has,”** i.e., that a woman can be betrothed, **we** also **read: “And they have borne him,”** meaning that their children follow his lineage. **And anywhere that we do not read: “If he has,” we** likewise **do not read: “And they have borne him,”** as the offspring inherit their mother’s status.


###### Kiddushin 68b:10
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אִי הָכִי, שִׁפְחָה נָמֵי! אִין הָכִי נָמֵי. אֶלָּא ״הָאִשָּׁה וִילָדֶיהָ תִּהְיֶה לַאדֹנֶיהָ״ לְמָה לִי? לְכִדְתַנְיָא:

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **If so,** one should learn from here with regard to a Canaanite **maidservant too,** that her child is like her, which means that the earlier proof from the verse: “The wife and her children” (Exodus 21:4), is not necessary. The Gemara answers: **Yes, it is indeed so;** this source also teaches the *halakha* that the offspring of a maidservant is like her. The Gemara asks: **But** if so, **why do I** need the verse **“The wife and her children shall be her master’s”?** This verse apparently teaches nothing new with regard to the *halakhot* of lineage. The Gemara answers: It is required **for that which is taught** in a *baraita*: