## Kiddushin Daf 74b

###### Kiddushin 74b:1
[Kiddushin 74b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:1)

הָכִי קָאָמַר: כׇּל הָאֲסוּרִים לָבֹא בִּקְהַל כְּהוּנָּה, מַאי נִינְהוּ – גִּיּוֹרֶת פְּחוּתָה מִבַּת שָׁלֹשׁ שָׁנִים וְיוֹם אֶחָד, וּדְלָא כְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יוֹחַי – מוּתָּרִין לָבוֹא זֶה בָּזֶה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**This is** what the mishna **is saying: All those** for **whom it is prohibited to enter into the congregation of the priesthood.** Rav Yehuda adds parenthetically: And **who are they?** Even a female who became **a convert** at **less than three years and one day** old, **and** this is **not in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Shimon ben Yoḥai,** who holds that such a girl is permitted to marry a priest. Rav Yehuda resumes his presentation of the statement of Rabbi Yehuda: They **are permitted to marry** into those families that are prohibited from entering into the congregation but are permitted to marry **one another.**


###### Kiddushin 74b:2
[Kiddushin 74b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:2)

וְנוֹקְמַהּ בְּבַת שָׁלֹשׁ שָׁנִים וְיוֹם אֶחָד, וַאֲפִילּוּ לְרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יוֹחַי! אִם כֵּן, מִצִּידַּהּ תָּבְרַהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **And let us establish** the mishna as referring **to** a girl who became a convert at **three years and one day** old or older, **and** then it will accord **even with Rabbi Shimon ben Yoḥai’s** opinion, as he agrees that this convert may not marry a priest. The Gemara answers: **If so,** the mishna **is broken,** i.e., contradicted, **from** within **itself,** as if the mishna states that even a female who converted when she was older than three years and a day may marry one with flawed lineage, one would make an incorrect inference, as follows.


###### Kiddushin 74b:3
[Kiddushin 74b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:3)

אֶלָּא טַעְמָא דְּבַת שָׁלֹשׁ שָׁנִים וְיוֹם אֶחָד, הָא פְּחוּתָה מִבַּת שָׁלֹשׁ שָׁנִים וְיוֹם אֶחָד, דְּמוּתֶּרֶת לָבֹא בִּקְהַל כְּהוּנָּה, אֲסוּרָה לָבוֹא זֶה בָּזֶה? הֲרֵי פְּחוּתָה מִבַּת שָׁלֹשׁ שָׁנִים וְיוֹם אֶחָד לְרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יוֹחַי, דְּמוּתֶּרֶת לָבֹא בִּקְהַל כְּהוּנָּה וּמֻותֶּרֶת לָבֹא זֶה בָּזֶה!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather, the reason** that she may marry one with flawed lineage is **that** she converted when she was already **three years and one day** old. **But** if she converted when she was **less than three years and one day** old, **as she is permitted to enter into the congregation of the priesthood,** is **she prohibited from marrying** into those families that are prohibited from entering into the congregation but are permitted to marry **one another?** This cannot be, **since according to** the opinion of **Rabbi Shimon ben Yoḥai,** there is also the case of a female who converted when she was **less than three years and one day** old, **who is permitted to enter the congregation of the priesthood and** is also **permitted to marry** into those families that are prohibited from entering into the congregation but are permitted to marry **one another.** Consequently, the mishna cannot be explained to accord with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon ben Yoḥai.


###### Kiddushin 74b:4
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וּכְלָלָא הוּא דְּכׇל הָאֲסוּרִים לָבֹא בִּקְהַל כְּהוּנָּה מוּתָּרִין לָבֹא זֶה בָּזֶה? וַהֲרֵי אַלְמָנָה וּגְרוּשָׁה וַחֲלָלָה וְזוֹנָה דַּאֲסוּרִים לָבֹא בִּקְהַל כְּהוּנָּה, וַאֲסוּרִים לָבֹא זֶה בָּזֶה! וְתוּ: הָא מוּתָּר אָסוּר? וַהֲרֵי גֵּר שֶׁמּוּתָּר בְּכֹהֶנֶת וּמוּתָּר בְּמַמְזֶרֶת!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara continues to ask: **But is it** an established **principle** that **all those** for **whom it is prohibited to enter into the congregation of the priesthood are permitted to marry** into those families that are prohibited from entering into the congregation but are permitted to marry **one another? But a widow,** who may not marry a High Priest, **and a divorcée, and a woman disqualified from marrying a priest [*ḥalala*], and a woman who has engaged in sexual intercourse with a man forbidden to her by the Torah [*zona*], are prohibited to enter into the congregation of the priesthood and are** also **prohibited to marry** into those families that are prohibited from entering into the congregation but are permitted to marry **one another. And furthermore,** can it be inferred: **But** one who **is permitted** to enter into the congregation of the priesthood is **prohibited** from marrying a man of flawed lineage? **But** there is the **convert,** who **is permitted to** marry **a daughter of a priest, and is** also **permitted to** marry **a *mamzeret*.**


###### Kiddushin 74b:5
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אֶלָּא אָמַר רַב נָתָן בַּר הוֹשַׁעְיָא: הָכִי קָאָמַר: כׇּל שֶׁכֹּהֵן אָסוּר לִישָּׂא אֶת בִּתּוֹ, וּמַאי נִיהוּ – גֵּר שֶׁנָּשָׂא גִּיּוֹרֶת. וּכְרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר בֶּן יַעֲקֹב – מוּתָּרִין לָבֹא זֶה בָּזֶה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather, Rav Natan bar Hoshaya said: This is** what the *tanna* of the mishna **is saying: Any** person about whom the *halakha* is **that a priest may not marry his daughter.** Rav Natan bar Hoshaya adds parenthetically: **And who is that? A convert who married a female convert, and** this is **in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Eliezer ben Ya’akov,** who prohibits the daughter of two converts to marry a priest. Rav Natan bar Hoshaya resumes his presentation of the statement of Rabbi Yehuda: People of that status **are permitted to marry** into those families that are prohibited from entering into the congregation but are permitted to marry **one another,** since converts are not in the category of “congregation.”


###### Kiddushin 74b:6
[Kiddushin 74b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:6)

וּכְלָלָא הוּא דְּכׇל שֶׁכֹּהֵן אָסוּר לִישָּׂא אֶת בִּתּוֹ מוּתָּרִים לָבֹא זֶה בָּזֶה? הֲרֵי חָלָל שֶׁנָּשָׂא בַּת יִשְׂרָאֵל, דְּכֹהֵן אָסוּר לִישָּׂא בִּתּוֹ, וַאֲסוּרִין נָמֵי לָבֹא זֶה בָּזֶה! לָא קַשְׁיָא, כְּרַבִּי דּוֹסְתַּאי בֶּן יְהוּדָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **But is it** an established **principle** that **anyone whose daughter a priest may not marry** is **permitted to marry** into those families that are prohibited from entering into the congregation but are permitted to marry **one another? But** there is the case of **a priest disqualified due to flawed lineage [*ḥalal*] who married a Jewish woman, as a priest may not marry his daughter,** since she is a *ḥalala*. **And** despite this, she is included among those who **are prohibited to marry** into those families that are prohibited from entering into the congregation but are permitted to marry **one another.** The Gemara answers: This is **not difficult,** since this mishna **is in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Dostai ben Yehuda,** who holds that the daughter of a *ḥalal* and a Jewish woman may marry a priest.


###### Kiddushin 74b:7
[Kiddushin 74b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:7)

וַהֲרֵי חָלָל שֶׁנָּשָׂא חֲלָלָה וְכֹהֵן אָסוּר לִישָּׂא בִּתּוֹ, וְאָסוּר נָמֵי לָבֹא זֶה בָּזֶה! וְתוּ: הָא מוּתָּר אָסוּר? וַהֲרֵי גֵּר שֶׁנָּשָׂא בַּת יִשְׂרָאֵל, וְכֹהֵן מוּתָּר לִישָּׂא בִּתּוֹ, וּמוּתָּרִין לָבֹא זֶה בָּזֶה!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **But** there is the case of **a *ḥalal* who married a *ḥalala*, as a priest may not marry his daughter,** since she is a *ḥalala*. **And** despite this, she is included among those who **are prohibited to marry** into those families that are prohibited from entering into the congregation but are permitted to marry **one another. And furthermore,** can it be inferred: One with regard to whom it is **permitted** for a priest to marry his daughter, is he **prohibited** from marrying Jews of flawed lineage? **But** there is the case of **a convert who married a Jewish woman, and a priest is permitted to marry his daughter. And** despite this, people of that status **are permitted to marry** into those families that are prohibited from entering into the congregation but are permitted to marry **one another.**


###### Kiddushin 74b:8
[Kiddushin 74b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:8)

אֶלָּא אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר אֲבוּהּ: הָכָא מַמְזֵר מֵאֲחוֹתוֹ וּמַמְזֵר מֵאֵשֶׁת אִישׁ אִיכָּא בֵּינַיְיהוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather, Rav Naḥman said** that **Rabba bar Avuh said** a different explanation of the dispute between the first *tanna* and Rabbi Yehuda: **Here,** the difference **between them** concerns **a *mamzer*** resulting **from** intercourse between a man and **his sister, and a *mamzer*** resulting **from** intercourse between **a married woman** and a man other than her husband.


###### Kiddushin 74b:9
[Kiddushin 74b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:9)

תַּנָּא קַמָּא סָבַר: אֲפִילּוּ מַמְזֵר מֵאֲחוֹתוֹ נָמֵי הָוֵי מַמְזֵר. וְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה סָבַר: מֵאֵשֶׁת אִישׁ הָוֵי מַמְזֵר, מֵאֲחוֹתוֹ – לָא הָוֵי מַמְזֵר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The **first *tanna* holds: Even a *mamzer*** resulting **from** intercourse between a man and **his sister is also** considered **a *mamzer*. And Rabbi Yehuda holds:** The offspring resulting **from** intercourse with **a married woman is a *mamzer*,** but offspring resulting **from** intercourse between a man and **his sister is not a *mamzer*.** According to this explanation, the dispute is that according to the first *tanna*, offspring resulting from intercourse between siblings may marry offspring resulting from intercourse with a married woman, while according to Rabbi Yehuda, the offspring resulting from intercourse between siblings is of unflawed lineage and may not marry a *mamzer*.


###### Kiddushin 74b:10
[Kiddushin 74b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:10)

מַאי קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן? תְּנֵינָא: אֵיזֶהוּ מַמְזֵר – כֹּל שֶׁהוּא בְּ״לֹא יָבֹא״, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי עֲקִיבָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **What is** the *tanna* **teaching us** with this? **We** already **learned** this in a mishna (*Yevamot* 49a): **Who is a *mamzer*? Any** offspring **who is** born of a union prohibited by the verse: **“He shall not enter”** (Deuteronomy 23:2). In other words, if the union was a violation of any kind of prohibition, even that of a prohibition that is not subject to the punishment of *karet*, the child is a *mamzer*; this is **the statement of Rabbi Akiva.**


###### Kiddushin 74b:11
[Kiddushin 74b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:11)

שִׁמְעוֹן הַתִּימְנִי אוֹמֵר: כֹּל שֶׁחַיָּיבִין עָלָיו כָּרֵת בִּידֵי שָׁמַיִם, וַהֲלָכָה כִּדְבָרָיו. רַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ אוֹמֵר: כֹּל שֶׁחַיָּיבִין עָלָיו מִיתַת בֵּית דִּין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The mishna continues: **Shimon HaTimni says: Any** offspring **who** is born of a union enjoined by a prohibition **for which one is liable** to receive ***karet* at the hand of Heaven, and the *halakha*** is **in accordance with his statement. Rabbi Yehoshua says: Any** offspring **who** is born of a union enjoined by a prohibition **for which one is liable to** receive **court**-imposed **capital punishment.** This demonstrates that the question of whether *mamzer* status results from sexual intercourse between siblings, for which one is liable to receive *karet* rather than capital punishment, has already been addressed in a mishna. Therefore, Rav Naḥman’s explanation of this mishna must be rejected.


###### Kiddushin 74b:12
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אֶלָּא אָמַר רָבָא: גֵּר עַמּוֹנִי וּמוֹאָבִי אִיכָּא בֵּינַיְיהוּ, וְהָכִי קָאָמַר: כׇּל הָאֲסוּרִים לָבֹא בַּקָּהָל, וּמַאי נִיהוּ: גֵּר עַמּוֹנִי וּמוֹאָבִי – מוּתָּרִין לָבֹא זֶה בָּזֶה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather, Rava said:** The difference **between them** involves the *halakha* of a male **Ammonite and** a male **Moabite convert, and this is what** the *tanna* **is saying: All those** for **whom it is prohibited to enter into the congregation.** Rava adds parenthetically: And **who are they?** A male **Ammonite and** a male **Moabite convert.** Rava resumes his presentation of the statement of Rabbi Yehuda: They **are permitted to marry one another.**


###### Kiddushin 74b:13
[Kiddushin 74b:13](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:13)

אִי הָכִי מַאי רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹסֵר? הָכִי קָאָמַר: אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁרַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹסֵר גֵּר בְּמַמְזֶרֶת, הָנֵי מִילֵּי גֵּר דְּרָאוּי לָבֹא בַּקָּהָל, אֲבָל גֵּר עַמּוֹנִי וּמוֹאָבִי דְּאֵין רְאוּיִין לָבֹא בַּקָּהָל – לָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **If so, what is** the reason of **Rabbi Yehuda** for **prohibiting** these marriages? Rabbi Yehuda should also permit an Ammonite convert to marry a *mamzeret*, as an Ammonite is not fit to enter the congregation. The Gemara answers: **This** is what the *tanna* **is saying: Although Rabbi Yehuda** generally **prohibits a convert from** marrying **a *mamzeret*, this matter** applies only to a regular **convert, who is fit to enter into the congregation. But** a male **Ammonite** convert **and** a male **Moabite convert, who are not fit to enter into the congregation,** are **not** prohibited from marrying a *mamzeret*, and there is no dispute between Rabbi Yehuda and the first *tanna*.


###### Kiddushin 74b:14
[Kiddushin 74b:14](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Kiddushin/r/74b:14)

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: בֶּן תֵּשַׁע שָׁנִים וְיוֹם אֶחָד גֵּר עַמּוֹנִי וּמוֹאָבִי, מִצְרִי וַאֲדוֹמִי, כּוּתִי וְנָתִין, חָלָל וּמַמְזֵר שֶׁבָּאוּ עַל הַכֹּהֶנֶת וְעַל הַלְוִיָּה וְעַל בַּת יִשְׂרָאֵל – [פְּסָלוּהָ]. רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: כֹּל שֶׁזַּרְעוֹ פָּסוּל – פּוֹסֵל, וְכֹל שֶׁאֵין זַרְעוֹ פָּסוּל – אֵינוֹ פּוֹסֵל. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר:

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**The Sages taught** (*Tosefta*, *Yevamot* 8:1): A boy **nine years and one day** old, whose sexual intercourse is considered an act of intercourse with regard to sexual transgressions, who was **an Ammonite or Moabite convert,** or **an Egyptian or Edomite** convert, or **a Samaritan, or a Gibeonite, a *ḥalal*, or a *mamzer*,** and **who engaged in sexual intercourse with the daughter of a priest, or the daughter of a Levite, or an Israelite woman, has** thereby **disqualified her from the priesthood. Rabbi Yosei says: Anyone whose offspring is unfit** to marry a priest **disqualifies** a woman with whom he engages in intercourse from marrying a priest; **and anyone whose offspring is not unfit does not disqualify** her. **Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says:**