## Menachot Daf 105b ###### Menachot 105b:1 [Menachot 105b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/105b:1) עִמּוֹ, וְאוֹמֵר: אִם מְצוֹרָע הוּא – זֶהוּ אֲשָׁמוֹ וְזֶה לוּגּוֹ, וְאִם לָאו – אָשָׁם זֶה יְהֵא שַׁלְמֵי נְדָבָה. **William Davidson Edition - English:** **with it and says** the following stipulation: **If this** offering is one **of a leper,** i.e., if I am a leper, **this is his guilt offering and that is his *log*** of oil. **And if** I am **not** a leper, **this** animal that I brought for **a guilt offering** shall be **a gift peace offering,** because their sacrificial rites are equivalent. ###### Menachot 105b:2 [Menachot 105b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/105b:2) וְאוֹתוֹ אָשָׁם טָעוּן שְׁחִיטָה בַּצָּפוֹן, וּמַתַּן בְּהוֹנוֹת, וּסְמִיכָה, וּנְסָכִים, וּתְנוּפַת חָזֶה וָשׁוֹק, וְנֶאֱכָל לְזִכְרֵי כְהוּנָּה לְיוֹם וָלַיְלָה. **William Davidson Edition - English:** **And that** uncertain **guilt offering requires slaughter in the north** of the Temple courtyard, as does a guilt offering; **and placement** of the blood on the right **thumb, and** right **big toe,** and right ear of the leper, as described in Leviticus 14:14; **and** it requires **placing hands** on the head of the animal, **and** the accompanying wine **libations, and waving of the breast and thigh,** as does a peace offering. **And it is eaten by males of the priesthood for** one **day and** the following **night** like a guilt offering, and not for two days and the intervening night like a peace offering. ###### Menachot 105b:3 [Menachot 105b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/105b:3) וְאַף עַל גַּב דְּקָא מְפָרֵיק מָר בִּשְׁחִיטַת קָדָשִׁים. **William Davidson Edition - English:** The Gemara relates to the problem that arises from this stipulation, as treating an offering as two different types of offerings due to a stipulation can cause a situation where an offering is unduly disqualified. In the case of an offering that is sacrificed as both a peace offering and a guilt offering, if its meat is not eaten by dawn of the following day, it is disqualified, even though it might be a peace offering, which can be eaten for another day. The Gemara comments: **And even though a Sage resolves** this issue **in** the tractate of: **The slaughter of sacrificial** animals, i.e., tractate *Zevaḥim*, in a manner that would not enable a stipulation to be made in this case (see 76b), there is a distinction between the case discussed there and the case discussed here. ###### Menachot 105b:4 [Menachot 105b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/105b:4) אֵימַר דְּאָמַר רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן: מַיְיתֵי וּמַתְנֵי לְכַתְּחִילָּה – לְתַקּוֹנֵי גַּבְרָא, אֲבָל בְּעָלְמָא – דִּיעֲבַד אִין, לְכַתְּחִילָּה לָא. **William Davidson Edition - English:** The resolution given there was: **Say that Rabbi Shimon said** that in a case of uncertainty **one may bring** an offering **and stipulate** with regard to its type ***ab initio*** only **for the remedy of a man,** e.g., in order to purify a person from his uncertain status as a leper, as there is no other way for him to purify himself. **But in general, after the fact,** after uncertainty arose with regard to the status of a certain offering it is **indeed** permitted to sacrifice the offering in a manner that may reduce the amount of time allotted for eating it, but one may **not** consecrate such an offering ***ab initio*.** ###### Menachot 105b:5 [Menachot 105b:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/105b:5) הָנֵי מִילֵּי גַּבֵּי שְׁלָמִים, דְּקָא מְמַעֵט בַּאֲכִילָתָן, דְּהָווּ לְהוּ קָדָשִׁים לְבֵית הַפְּסוּל, אֲבָל מְנָחוֹת – אֲפִילּוּ לְכַתְּחִילָּה. **William Davidson Edition - English:** The Gemara explains why here it would nevertheless be permitted to make the stipulation *ab initio*: Nevertheless, **this statement** that one may stipulate with regard to an offering only after the fact applies only **to a peace offering, as** sacrificing it as a guilt offering **reduces its** allotted time for **eating, which** may bring **sacrificial** meat **to the status of disqualification. But** stipulation with regard to **meal offerings** when one does not remember which type he vowed to bring is permitted **even *ab initio*,** as this does not reduce its allotted time for eating. Therefore, the mishna could be in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Shimon. ###### Menachot 105b:6 [Menachot 105b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/105b:6) אֲמַר לֵיהּ רַב פָּפָּא לְאַבָּיֵי: רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן דְּאָמַר מֶחֱצָה חַלּוֹת וּמֶחֱצָה רְקִיקִין יָבִיא, הָא קָא מַיְיתֵי עִשָּׂרוֹן אֶחָד מִשְּׁנֵי עִשָּׂרוֹן, וְלוֹג אֶחָד מִשְּׁנֵי לוּגִּין! **William Davidson Edition - English:** **Rav Pappa said to Abaye:** How can you explain that the mishna could be in accordance with the opinion of **Rabbi Shimon, who said** that if one wants to bring **half** of his baked meal offering as **loaves and half** of it as **wafers he may bring** it in that manner, as one can bring a meal offering of ten loaves and ten wafers and stipulate that some of them are brought in order to fulfill his obligation and the rest are a voluntary offering? This cannot be, as the twenty loaves and wafers constitute a total of two-tenths of an ephah in volume, and must therefore be sanctified in two separate service vessels. This causes a situation where **one brings one-tenth** of an ephah, which constitutes one meal offering as fulfillment of the individual’s obligation, **from two** separate **tenths** of an ephah. **And** similarly, the two meal offerings require two *log* of oil, each of which is sanctified in a separate vessel, and it turns out that each meal offering includes **one *log*** of oil **from two** separate ***log*.** ###### Menachot 105b:7 [Menachot 105b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/105b:7) שָׁמְעִינַן לֵיהּ לְרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן, דְּאָמַר: אִם הֵבִיא עִשָּׂרוֹן אֶחָד מִשְּׁנֵי עֶשְׂרוֹנוֹת, וְלוֹג אֶחָד מִשְּׁנֵי לוּגִּין – יָצָא. **William Davidson Edition - English:** Abaye answered: This is not difficult, as **we have heard that Rabbi Shimon said** that **if one brought one-tenth** of an ephah as a meal offering **from two** separate **tenths, and** similarly, if one brought **one *log*** of oil **from two** separate ***log*, he has fulfilled** his obligation. ###### Menachot 105b:8 [Menachot 105b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/105b:8) וּמִיקְמָץ הֵיכִי קָמַץ? דְּמַתְנֵי וְאָמַר: אִי חַלּוֹת לְחוֹדַיְיהוּ, וּרְקִיקִין לְחוֹדַיְיהוּ אֲמַרִי – דְּקָא קָמֵיצְנָא מֵחַלּוֹת לֶיהֱוֵי אַחַלּוֹת, דְּקָא קָמֵיצְנָא מֵרְקִיקִין לֶיהֱוֵי אַרְקִיקִין. אִי מֶחֱצָה רְקִיקִין וּמֶחֱצָה חַלּוֹת אֲמַרִי – דְּקָא קָמֵיצְנָא מֵחַלּוֹת לֶיהֱוֵי אַמֶּחֱצָה חַלּוֹת וּמֶחֱצָה רְקִיקִין, וּדְקָא קָמֵיצְנָא מֵרְקִיקִין לִיהְווֹ אַמֶּחֱצָה רְקִיקִין וּמֶחֱצָה חַלּוֹת. **William Davidson Edition - English:** The Gemara asks: **But how does one remove a handful** from this meal offering, which consists of both loaves and wafers? The Gemara answers **that he stipulates and says: If** I specified in my vow that I would bring **loaves only, or** similarly if **I said** that I would bring **wafers only, let the handful that I remove from the loaves be for the loaves,** and **let the handful that I remove from the wafers be for the wafers. If I said** in my vow that I would bring a meal offering that is **half wafers and half loaves, let the handful that I remove from the loaves be for half the loaves and half the wafers, and let the handful that I remove from the wafers be for half the wafers and half the loaves.** ###### Menachot 105b:9 [Menachot 105b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/105b:9) וְהָא בָּעֵי מִיקְמָץ חַד קוֹמֶץ מֵחַלּוֹת **William Davidson Edition - English:** The Gemara challenges this suggestion: **But** if the vow was to bring a meal offering that is half loaves and half wafers, **it requires removing one handful from the loaves**