## Menachot Daf 41b

###### Menachot 41b:1
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וּבִלְבַד שֶׁלֹּא תְּהֵא מוּפְסֶקֶת. שָׁמְעַתְּ מִינַּהּ מַתִּירִין מִבֶּגֶד לְבֶגֶד? דִּילְמָא דְּאִי בְּלַאי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
This is permitted **provided that** the strings **are not broken.** The Gemara asks: Should one **conclude from** this *baraita* that it is always permitted to **untie** ritual fringes **from** one **garment** in order to affix them **to** another **garment?** The Gemara rejects this inference: **Perhaps** the ruling of this *baraita* applies only **if** the first garment was **worn out** and no longer wearable.


###### Menachot 41b:2
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תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: טַלִּית שֶׁכּוּלָּהּ תְּכֵלֶת – כׇּל מִינֵי צִבְעוֹנִין פּוֹטְרִין בָּהּ, חוּץ מִקָּלָא אִילָן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**The Sages taught** in a *baraita*: In the case of **a cloak that** is made **entirely** of **sky-blue wool,** strings of **every type of color exempt it,** i.e., the ritual fringes that are not *tekhelet* may be any color **except for indigo,** a color that is indistinguishable from *tekhelet*. This indicates that if one attached strings dyed with indigo alongside the strings dyed with *tekhelet*, the ritual fringes are unfit.


###### Menachot 41b:3
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מֵיתִיבִי: טַלִּית אֵין פּוֹטֵר בָּהּ אֶלָּא מִינָהּ. טַלִּית שֶׁכּוּלָּהּ תְּכֵלֶת – מֵבִיא תְּכֵלֶת וְדָבָר אַחֵר וְתוֹלֶה בָּהּ, וְקָלָא אִילָן לֹא יָבִיא, וְאִם הֵבִיא – כָּשֵׁר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara **raises an objection** from a *baraita*: **A cloak** is **exempted only by** strings of **its own type.** In the case of **a cloak that** is made **entirely** of **sky-blue wool,** one **brings sky-blue [*tekhelet*]** strings **and something else,** i.e., strings of a different color, **and attaches** them **to** the cloak. **And he may not bring** strings dyed with **indigo** along with the strings dyed with *tekhelet*. **But if he brought** strings dyed with indigo together with the strings dyed with *tekhelet*, the ritual fringes are **fit.**


###### Menachot 41b:4
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אָמַר רַב נַחְמָן בַּר יִצְחָק: לָא קַשְׁיָא, כָּאן בְּטַלִּית בַּת אַרְבָּעָה חוּטִין, כָּאן בְּטַלִּית בַּת שְׁמוֹנָה חוּטִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Naḥman bar Yitzḥak said:** This is **not difficult,** because **here,** in the *baraita* that holds that the ritual fringes are fit after the fact, it is referring **to a cloak that has** only **four strings,** two of *tekhelet* and two of indigo. **There,** in the *baraita* that holds that the ritual fringes are unfit after the fact, it is referring **to a cloak that has eight strings,** four of *tekhelet* and four of indigo. In this case, the Sages were concerned that one would take the four indigo strings from this garment and use them in another garment, thinking that they were *tekhelet*.


###### Menachot 41b:5
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שָׁמְעַתְּ מִינַּהּ מַתִּירִין מִבֶּגֶד לְבֶגֶד? דִּלְמָא דְּאִי עֲבַד.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: Should **you conclude from** the fact that the Sages were concerned lest one take the indigo strings from this garment for use in another garment that in general **one may untie** ritual fringes **from** one **garment** in order **to** affix them to another **garment?** The Gemara responds: **Perhaps** their concern was **that if** one **did** transfer the strings, he might mistake indigo for *tekhelet*, but it is not permitted to transfer the strings *ab initio*.


###### Menachot 41b:6
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אִיתְּמַר, רַב אָמַר: אֵין מַתִּירִין מִבֶּגֶד לְבֶגֶד, וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: מַתִּירִין מִבֶּגֶד לְבֶגֶד.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**It was stated** that there is a dispute between *amora’im* with regard to this *halakha*. **Rav says: One may not untie** ritual fringes **from** one **garment** in order **to** affix them to another **garment. And Shmuel says: One may untie** them **from** one **garment** and affix them **to** another **garment.**


###### Menachot 41b:7
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רַב אָמַר: אֵין מַדְלִיקִין מִנֵּר לְנֵר, וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: מַדְלִיקִין מִנֵּר לְנֵר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara cites additional disputes between Rav and Shmuel: **Rav says: One may not light from** one Hanukkah **lamp to** another Hanukkah **lamp. And Shmuel says: One may light from** one Hanukkah **lamp to** another Hanukkah **lamp.**


###### Menachot 41b:8
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רַב אָמַר: אֵין הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בִּגְרִירָה, וּשְׁמוּאֵל אָמַר: הֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בִּגְרִירָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Rabbi Shimon rules that it is permitted to drag items on Shabbat despite the possibility that one might thereby create a furrow in the ground. Creating a furrow is a labor prohibited on Shabbat, but since he does not intend to create the furrow, and it is not certain that a furrow will be created, dragging the item is permitted. **Rav says:** The ***halakha*** is **not in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Shimon with regard to dragging** items on Shabbat. **And Shmuel says** that the ***halakha*** is **in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Shimon with regard to dragging** items on Shabbat.


###### Menachot 41b:9
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אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: כֹּל מִילֵּי דְּמָר עָבֵיד כְּרַב, לְבַר מֵהָנֵי תְּלָת דְּעָבֵיד כִּשְׁמוּאֵל: מַתִּירִין מִבֶּגֶד לְבֶגֶד, וּמַדְלִיקִין מִנֵּר לְנֵר, וַהֲלָכָה כְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בִּגְרִירָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Abaye said:** In **all** halakhic **matters of the Master,** Rabba, **he conducted himself in accordance with** the opinion of **Rav, except these three where he conducted himself in accordance with** the opinion of **Shmuel.** He ruled that **one may untie** ritual fringes **from** one **garment** in order to affix them **to** another **garment, and one may light from** one Hanukkah **lamp to** another Hanukkah **lamp, and** the ***halakha*** is **in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Shimon with regard to dragging** items on Shabbat.


###### Menachot 41b:10
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דְּתַנְיָא, רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן אוֹמֵר: גּוֹרֵר אָדָם מִטָּה, כִּסֵּא וְסַפְסָל, וּבִלְבַד שֶׁלֹּא יִתְכַּוֵּין לַעֲשׂוֹת חָרִיץ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**As it is taught** in a *baraita* that **Rabbi Shimon says: A person may drag a bed, chair, or bench** on the ground on Shabbat, **provided that he does not intend to make a furrow** in the ground. Even if a furrow is formed inadvertently, one does not need to be concerned.


###### Menachot 41b:11
[Menachot 41b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/41b:11)

רַב יְהוּדָה מָסַר לֵיהּ לְקַצָּרָא, רַב חֲנִינָא עָבֵיד לֵהּ סִיסָא, רָבִינָא חָיֵיט לְהוּ מֵיחָט.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara relates that **Rav Yehuda** would **give** his garments containing ritual fringes **to a laundryman** and was not concerned that the strings dyed with *tekhelet* might become detached and that the laundryman would replace them with strings dyed with indigo. **Rav Ḥanina** would **form a bundle** with his ritual fringes so that they would not become detached while they were being laundered. **Ravina** would tuck **them** into a pocket he formed on the garment and **sew** the cover of the pocket in order to protect the ritual fringes.


###### Menachot 41b:12
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תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: כַּמָּה חוּטִין הוּא נוֹתֵן? בֵּית שַׁמַּאי אוֹמְרִים: אַרְבָּעָה, וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים: שְׁלֹשָׁה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **The Sages taught** in a *baraita*: **How many strings does one place** on a garment? **Beit Shammai say: Four** strings are inserted into the hole in the garment, so that there are eight strings hanging down altogether, **and Beit Hillel say: Three** strings are inserted into the garment.


###### Menachot 41b:13
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וְכַמָּה תְּהֵא מְשׁוּלֶּשֶׁת? בֵּית שַׁמַּאי אוֹמְרִים: אַרְבַּע, וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים: שָׁלֹשׁ. וְשָׁלֹשׁ שֶׁבֵּית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים, אַחַת מֵאַרְבַּע בְּטֶפַח שֶׁל כׇּל אָדָם. אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: טֶפַח דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא אַרְבַּע בְּגוּדָל, שֵׁית בִּקְטַנָּה, חֲמֵשׁ בְּתִילְתָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And how much should be hanging [*meshulleshet*]** beyond the knots and windings? **Beit Shammai say: Four** fingerbreadths, **and Beit Hillel say: Three** fingerbreadths. **And** the **three** fingerbreadths **that Beit Hillel say** should be hanging are each **one-fourth of a handbreadth [*tefaḥ*] of any** average **person.** The Gemara notes that **Rav Pappa said:** The **handbreadth of the Torah** is **four** fingerbreadths if measured **by** the **thumb; six** fingerbreadths if measured **by** the **smallest** finger; and **five** if measured **by** the **third,** i.e., the middle, finger.


###### Menachot 41b:14
[Menachot 41b:14](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/41b:14)

אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: אַרְבָּעָה בְּתוֹךְ אַרְבַּע, וּמְשׁוּלֶּשֶׁת אַרְבַּע, וְרַב יְהוּדָה אָמַר: שְׁלֹשָׁה בְּתוֹךְ שָׁלֹשׁ, מְשׁוּלֶּשֶׁת שָׁלֹשׁ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Huna says** that the *halakha* is: One must attach **four** strings **within four** fingerbreadths of the edge of the garment, **and** they should **hang** down **four** fingerbreadths beyond the knots and windings. **And Rav Yehuda says:** One must attach **three** strings **within three** fingerbreadths of the edge of the garment, and they should **hang** down **three** fingerbreadths beyond the knots and windings.


###### Menachot 41b:15
[Menachot 41b:15](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/41b:15)

אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא, הִלְכְתָא: אַרְבָּעָה בְּתוֹךְ שָׁלֹשׁ, מְשׁוּלֶּשֶׁת אַרְבַּע.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Pappa says** that **the *halakha*** is that one must attach **four** strings **within three** fingerbreadths of the edge of the garment, and they should **hang** down **four** fingerbreadths beyond the knots and windings.


###### Menachot 41b:16
[Menachot 41b:16](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Menachot/r/41b:16)

לְמֵימְרָא דְּאִית לְהוּ שִׁיעוּרָא, וּרְמִינְהוּ: ״צִיצִית״ – אֵין צִיצִית אֶלָּא יוֹצֵא, וְאֵין צִיצִית אֶלָּא מַשֶּׁהוּ, וּכְבָר עָלוּ זִקְנֵי בֵּית שַׁמַּאי וְזִקְנֵי בֵּית הִלֵּל לַעֲלִיַּית יוֹחָנָן בֶּן בְּתִירָא, וְאָמְרוּ: צִיצִית אֵין לָהּ שִׁיעוּר; כַּיּוֹצֵא בּוֹ, לוּלָב אֵין בּוֹ שִׁיעוּר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **Is this to say that** ritual fringes **have** a required **measure? And** the Gemara **raises a contradiction** to this from a *baraita*: The verse states: “That they prepare for themselves **strings”** (Numbers 15:38). **Strings** are **nothing other than** what **emerges** from the corner of the garment, **and** the term **strings** indicates **only** that there must be strings of **any length. And** it **already** occurred that **the elders of Beit Shammai and the elders of Beit Hillel ascended to the attic of Yoḥanan ben Beteira, and** they discussed the matter and **said: Ritual fringes have no measure. Similarly, a *lulav* has no measure.**


###### Menachot 41b:17
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מַאי לָאו אֵין לָהּ שִׁיעוּר כְּלָל? לָא,

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**What,** does this **not** mean that ritual fringes **have no** required **measure at all?** The Gemara answers: **No,**