## Menachot Daf 4b

###### Menachot 4b:1
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וַאֲשַׁם מְצוֹרָע שֶׁשְּׁחָטָן שֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמָן – פְּסוּלִין, הוֹאִיל וּבָאוּ לְהַכְשִׁיר וְלֹא הִכְשִׁירוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**and** so you say with regard to **the guilt offering of a leper,** whose proper sacrifice enables the leper to enter the Israelite camp and to partake of offerings of sanctity, **that** if one **slaughtered** these offerings **not for their sake, they are disqualified.** They are disqualified **since** their sacrifice **came to render** the nazirite and leper **fit, and** these guilt offerings **did not render** them **fit.**


###### Menachot 4b:2
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תְּנַן: כׇּל הַמְּנָחוֹת שֶׁנִּקְמְצוּ שֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמָן – כְּשֵׁירוֹת, אֶלָּא שֶׁלֹּא עָלוּ לַבְּעָלִים לְשׁוּם חוֹבָה, חוּץ מִמִּנְחַת חוֹטֵא וּמִנְחַת קְנָאוֹת. וְאִם אִיתָא, לִיתְנֵי נָמֵי: ״חוּץ מִמִּנְחַת הָעוֹמֶר״!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **We learned** in the mishna that **all the meal offerings** from **which a handful was removed not for their sake are fit** for sacrifice **but they did not satisfy the obligation of the owner, except for the meal offering of a sinner and the meal offering of jealousy. And if it is so** that an *omer* meal offering from which a handful was removed not for its own sake is disqualified, then **let** the mishna **also teach: Except for the *omer* meal offering.**


###### Menachot 4b:3
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כִּי קָתָנֵי בָּאָה יָחִיד, בָּאָה צִבּוּר לָא קָתָנֵי; כִּי תָנֵי בָּאָה בִּגְלַל עַצְמָהּ, בָּאָה בִּגְלַל זֶבַח – לָא קָתָנֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara responds: **When** the mishna **teaches** this *halakha*, it teaches it only with regard to meal offerings that **come** on behalf of **an individual.** The mishna **does not teach** the *halakha* with regard to those meal offerings that **come** on behalf of the **community.** Additionally, **when** the mishna **teaches** this *halakha*, it is only with regard to a meal offering that **comes on account of itself,** i.e., as an independent offering. The mishna **does not teach** the *halakha* with regard to a meal offering that **comes on account of,** i.e., together with, **a slaughtered offering,** e.g., the *omer* meal offering, which is brought along with two sheep.


###### Menachot 4b:4
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כִּי קָתָנֵי הָנָךְ שֶׁאֵין קָבוּעַ לָהֶן זְמַן, הָא דְּקָבוּעַ לָהּ זְמַן – לָא קָתָנֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara adds: Furthermore, **when** the mishna **teaches** this *halakha*, it is only with regard to **those** meal offerings **whose time is not set,** i.e., they may be sacrificed on any date. The mishna **does not teach** the *halakha* with regard to **this** *omer* meal offering, **whose time** for offering **is set** on the sixteenth of Nisan.


###### Menachot 4b:5
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אָמַר מָר: וְכֵן אַתָּה אוֹמֵר בַּאֲשַׁם נָזִיר וַאֲשַׁם מְצוֹרָע שֶׁשְּׁחָטָן שֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמָן פְּסוּלִין, הוֹאִיל וּבָאוּ לְהַכְשִׁיר וְלֹא הִכְשִׁירוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The Gemara analyzes the statement of Rav. **The Master said: And so you say with regard to the guilt offering of a nazirite** who became ritually impure, **and** so you say with regard to **the guilt offering of a leper, that** if one **slaughtered** these offerings **not for their sake, they are disqualified.** They are disqualified **since** their proper sacrifice **came to render** the nazirite and leper **fit, and they did not render** them **fit.**


###### Menachot 4b:6
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תְּנַן: כׇּל הַזְּבָחִים שֶׁשְּׁחָטָן שֶׁלֹּא לִשְׁמָן כְּשֵׁרִין, אֶלָּא שֶׁלֹּא עָלוּ לַבְּעָלִים לְשׁוּם חוֹבָה, חוּץ מִפֶּסַח וְחַטָּאת. וְאִם אִיתָא – לִיתְנֵי נָמֵי: חוּץ מֵאֲשַׁם נָזִיר וַאֲשַׁם מְצוֹרָע, דְּבָאוּ לְהַכְשִׁיר וְלֹא הִכְשִׁירוּ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **We learned** in a mishna (*Zevaḥim* 2a): **All slaughtered offerings that one slaughtered not for their sake are fit, but they did not satisfy the obligation of the owner.** This is the *halakha* with regard to all offerings **except for the Paschal offering and the sin offering,** which are disqualified when slaughtered not for their sake. **And if it is so** that the *halakha* is in accordance with the statement of Rav, **let** the mishna **also teach: Except for the guilt offering of a nazirite and the guilt offering of a leper, since they came to render** one **fit and they did not render** one **fit.**


###### Menachot 4b:7
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כֵּיוָן דְּאִיכָּא אֲשַׁם גְּזֵילוֹת וַאֲשַׁם מְעִילוֹת, דִּלְכַפָּרָה אָתוּ – לָא פְּסִיקָא לֵיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara answers: **Since there** are other guilt offerings, i.e., **the guilt offering for robbery,** which one brings for taking a false oath denying an accusation of robbery, **and the guilt offering** brought **for misuse** of consecrated property, **that come for atonement,** which do not render one fit and are fit for sacrifice if they were slaughtered not for their sake, the *tanna* of the mishna could **not** state the *halakha* with regard to guilt offerings in **an absolute** manner, and therefore he refrains from mentioning guilt offerings at all.


###### Menachot 4b:8
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מַאי שְׁנָא אֲשַׁם נָזִיר וַאֲשַׁם מְצוֹרָע, דְּבָאוּ לְהַכְשִׁיר וְלֹא הִכְשִׁירוּ? הָנֵי נָמֵי בָּאוּ לְכַפָּרָה וְלֹא כִּפְּרוּ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **What is different** about **the guilt offering of a nazirite and the guilt offering of a leper?** Why are they disqualified when slaughtered not for their sake **since they came to render fit and they did not render fit? These,** i.e., the guilt offerings for robbery and for misuse of consecrated property, should **likewise** be disqualified when slaughtered not for their sake, since they **came for atonement and they did not atone.**


###### Menachot 4b:9
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אָמַר רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה: מָצִינוּ שֶׁחִלֵּק הַכָּתוּב בֵּין מְכַפְּרִים וּבֵין מַכְשִׁירִין, מְכַפְּרִין אִית בְּהוּ דְּאָתוּ לְאַחַר מִיתָה, מַכְשִׁירִין לֵית בְּהוּ דְּאָתוּ לְאַחַר מִיתָה. דִּתְנַן: הָאִשָּׁה שֶׁהֵבִיאָה חַטָּאתָהּ וּמֵתָה – יָבִיאוּ יוֹרְשִׁין עוֹלָתָהּ, עוֹלָתָהּ וּמֵתָה – לֹא יָבִיאוּ יוֹרְשִׁין חַטָּאתָהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Yirmeya said** in response: **We find that the Torah differentiates between** those guilt offerings that **atone and** those that **render fit,** and the *halakha* is more stringent with regard to those that render fit. Rabbi Yirmeya elaborates: With regard to those guilt offerings that **atone, there are among them** offerings **that come after death,** i.e., they are sacrificed after the death of their owners, whereas with regard to those that **render fit, there are none among them that come after death. As we learned** in a mishna (*Kinnim* 2:5): With regard to **a woman** after childbirth **who brought her sin offering** for her ritual purification **and died, the heirs shall bring her burnt offering,** which comes to atone. If she set aside **her burnt offering and died, the heirs shall not bring her sin offering,** as it comes to render her fit to partake of offerings.


###### Menachot 4b:10
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מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רַבִּי יְהוּדָה בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן פַּזִּי: מַכְשִׁירִין נָמֵי, מִי לֵית בְּהוּ דְּאָתוּ לְאַחַר מִיתָה? וְהָתְנַן: הַמַּפְרִישׁ מָעוֹת לִנְזִירוּתוֹ – לֹא נֶהֱנִין וְלֹא מוֹעֲלִין, מִפְּנֵי שֶׁרְאוּיִין לָבֹא כּוּלָּן שְׁלָמִים.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Yehuda, son of Rabbi Shimon ben Pazi, objects to this:** With regard to offerings that **render fit as well, are there not among them** offerings **that come after death? But didn’t we learn** in a mishna (*Me’ila* 11a): In the case of **one who separates funds for** the offerings of **his naziriteship,** i.e., his sin offering, burnt offering, and peace offering, a person **may not derive benefit** from them *ab initio*, **but** if one benefited from them after the fact, he is **not** liable for **misuse** of consecrated property, i.e., he is not required to bring a guilt offering and is not obligated to repay the principal and an additional fifth. This is **because** the coins **are all fit for bringing peace offerings,** and there is no misuse of consecrated property with regard to funds fit for a peace offering.


###### Menachot 4b:11
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מֵת וְהָיוּ לוֹ מָעוֹת סְתוּמִין – יִפְּלוּ לִנְדָבָה; מְפוֹרָשִׁין: דְּמֵי חַטָּאת – יוֹלִיךְ לְיָם הַמֶּלַח, לֹא נֶהֱנִין וְלֹא מוֹעֲלִין; דְּמֵי עוֹלָה – יָבִיא בָּהֶן עוֹלָה, וּמוֹעֲלִין בָּהֶן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The mishna continues: If the nazirite **died and he had undesignated funds** that he set aside to pay for his nazirite offerings without specifying how much money should be allocated toward each offering, **they will be allocated for** communal **gift** offerings. If he left behind **allocated** funds, then with regard to **the money for a sin offering,** one must **take** it and cast it **into the Dead Sea; one may not benefit** from it *ab initio*, **but** if one benefited from it after the fact, he is **not** liable for **misuse** of consecrated property. With regard to **the money for a burnt offering, one brings with it a burnt offering, and** one is liable for **misusing them.**


###### Menachot 4b:12
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דְּמֵי שְׁלָמִים – יָבִיא בָּהֶן שְׁלָמִים, וְנֶאֱכָלִין לְיוֹם אֶחָד, וְאֵין טְעוּנִין לֶחֶם. וְהָא עוֹלָה וּשְׁלָמִים דְּנָזִיר דְּמַכְשִׁירִים נִינְהוּ, וְקָא אָתוּ לְאַחַר מִיתָה!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The mishna concludes: With **the money for a peace offering, one brings a peace offering with it, and** these offerings **are eaten for one day,** like the peace offering brought by a nazirite, **and do not require** the **loaves** that are normally bought with the peace offering of a nazirite. Rabbi Yehuda explains his question: **But** the **burnt offering and peace offering of a nazirite are** offerings **that render** the nazirite **fit** to drink wine, **and** yet **they come after death.**


###### Menachot 4b:13
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אָמַר רַב פָּפָּא: הָכִי קָא אָמַר רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה: לֹא מָצִינוּ הֶכְשֵׁר קָבוּעַ דְּבָא לְאַחַר מִיתָה, וּדְנָזִיר הֶכְשֵׁר שֶׁאֵינוֹ קָבוּעַ הוּא,

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Pappa said** in response that **this is what Rabbi Yirmeya is saying: We do not find** an instance of **a fixed** manner of **rendering fit that comes after death,** i.e., there is no instance where the only offering that will render one fit to act in a manner previously prohibited to him may be sacrificed after death. **And** the offerings **of a nazirite** are examples of a means of **rendering fit that is not fixed,**