## Nedarim Daf 72a

###### Nedarim 72a:1
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תָּא שְׁמַע: אֵימָתַי אָמְרוּ ״מֵת הַבַּעַל, נִתְרוֹקְנָה רְשׁוּת לָאָב״ — בִּזְמַן שֶׁלֹּא שָׁמַע הַבַּעַל, אוֹ שָׁמַע וְהֵפֵר, אוֹ שָׁמַע וְשָׁתַק וּמֵת בּוֹ בַּיּוֹם. וְאִי אָמְרַתְּ גֵּירוּשִׁין כִּשְׁתִיקָה דָּמוּ, לִיתְנֵי נָמֵי ״אוֹ שָׁמַע וְגֵירַשׁ״! מִדְּלָא תָּנֵי הָכִי — שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ גֵּירוּשִׁין כַּהֲקָמָה דָּמוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Come** and **hear** a resolution of the dilemma from the following *baraita*: **When did they say** that if **the husband died** the **authority** to nullify a young woman’s vows **reverts to the father? When the husband did not hear** the vow; **or he heard** the vow **and nullified** it; **or heard** it, **and was silent, and died on that day. And if you say** that **divorce is like silence, let** the *tanna* of the *baraita* **also teach** with regard to the husband: **Or he heard** the vow **and divorced** her. **From** the fact **that he did not teach this** case, **learn from** the *baraita* that **divorce is like ratification.**


###### Nedarim 72a:2
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אֵימָא סֵיפָא: אֲבָל אִם שָׁמַע וְקַיָּים, אוֹ שָׁמַע וְשָׁתַק וּמֵת בְּיוֹם שֶׁל אַחֲרָיו — אֵין יָכוֹל לְהָפֵר. וְאִי אָמְרַתְּ גֵּירוּשִׁין כַּהֲקָמָה דָּמוּ, לִיתְנֵי ״וְאִם שָׁמַע וְגֵירֵשׁ״! אֶלָּא מִדְּלָא קָתָנֵי הָכִי, שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ: גֵּירוּשִׁין כִּשְׁתִיקָה דָּמוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects the proof from the *baraita*: **State the latter clause** of the *baraita*: **But if he heard** it **and ratified** it; **or he heard** it, **and was silent, and died on the following day,** then the father **cannot nullify** the vow. **But** according to this clause, **if you say** that **divorce is like ratification, let** the *tanna* of the *baraita* also **teach: And if he heard** the vow **and divorced** her. **Rather, from** the fact **that** the *baraita* **does not teach this, learn from** the *baraita* that **divorce is like silence.**


###### Nedarim 72a:3
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אֶלָּא מֵהָא לֵיכָּא לְמִשְׁמַע מִינֵּיהּ. אִי רֵישָׁא דַּוְקָא — נָסֵיב סֵיפָא מִשּׁוּם רֵישָׁא. אִי סֵיפָא דַּוְקָא — נָסֵיב רֵישָׁא מִשּׁוּם סֵיפָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather, one cannot learn** anything **from this** *baraita* about the effect of divorce on her vows. The Gemara explains that the discrepancy between the two clauses is stylistic and can be explained either way: **If** the cases in **the first clause** are chosen **precisely,** allowing for the inference that divorce is like ratification, then one must say that the *tanna* **formulates the last clause** of the *baraita* as he does **because of the first clause,** i.e., in the same style, although it does not add anything. **If** the cases in **the last clause** are chosen **precisely,** allowing for the inference that divorce is like silence, then one must say that the *tanna* **formulates the first clause** of the *baraita* as he does **because of the last clause,** i.e., in the same style, although it does not add anything.


###### Nedarim 72a:4
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תָּא שְׁמַע: נָדְרָה וְהִיא אֲרוּסָה, וְנִתְגָּרְשָׁה וְנִתְאָרְסָה בּוֹ בַּיּוֹם, אֲפִילּוּ לְמֵאָה — אָבִיהָ וּבַעְלָהּ הָאַחֲרוֹן מְפִירִין נְדָרֶיהָ. שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ גֵּירוּשִׁין כִּשְׁתִיקָה דָּמוּ, דְּאִי כַּהֲקָמָה דָּמוּ — מִי מָצֵי מֵיפַר אָרוּס אַחֲרוֹן נִידְרֵי דְּאוֹקֵים אָרוּס רִאשׁוֹן?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Come** and **hear** a mishna (71a): If **she took a vow** while **she was betrothed, and was divorced, and was betrothed** again **on the same day, even to one hundred** men, **her father and her final husband nullify her vows. Learn from** this mishna that **divorce is like silence, because if** it were **like ratification, could the final betrothed nullify vows that** the **first betrothed had** already **ratified?**


###### Nedarim 72a:5
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הָכָא בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן, בְּשֶׁלֹּא שָׁמַע אָרוּס רִאשׁוֹן. אִי הָכִי, מַאי אִירְיָא בּוֹ בַּיּוֹם? אֲפִילּוּ לְאַחַר מֵאָה יָמִים נָמֵי!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this proof: **With what are we dealing here?** We are dealing with a case **in which the first betrothed man did not hear** the vow, and for that reason his divorcing her does not constitute ratification. The Gemara then asks: **If so, why** mention **specifically** that the divorce occurred **on that day? The same would hold true even after one hundred days as well.** Since the first husband never heard the vow, the final husband can nullify it on whichever day he hears it.


###### Nedarim 72a:6
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כְּשֶׁלֹּא שָׁמַע אָרוּס וְשָׁמַע הָאָב, דְּבוֹ בַּיּוֹם הוּא דְּמָצֵי מֵיפַר, אֲבָל מִכָּאן וְאֵילָךְ לֹא מָצֵי מֵיפַר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara answers: It is referring to a situation **in which** the **betrothed** man **did not hear** the vow **but the father heard** it. **As** in that case, **it is** only **on the same day that he can nullify** the vow, **but he cannot nullify** it **from this** point **forward.** Once her father has already heard the vow, her betrothed cannot nullify it on a different day. Therefore, one cannot infer from the mishna that divorce is like silence.


###### Nedarim 72a:7
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תָּא שְׁמַע: נָדְרָה בּוֹ בַּיּוֹם, גֵּירְשָׁהּ וְהֶחְזִירָהּ בּוֹ בַּיּוֹם — אֵין יָכוֹל לְהָפֵר. שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ: גֵּירוּשִׁין כַּהֲקָמָה דָּמוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Come** and **hear** a resolution of the dilemma from a mishna (89a): If **she took a vow on that day,** and **he divorced her and remarried her on the same day, he cannot nullify** her vow. **Learn from** the mishna that **divorce is like ratification.**


###### Nedarim 72a:8
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אָמְרִי: הָכָא בִּנְשׂוּאָה עָסְקִינַן, וְהַיְינוּ טַעְמָא דְּאֵין יָכוֹל לְהָפֵר, מִשּׁוּם דְּאֵין הַבַּעַל מֵיפֵר בְּקוֹדְמִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this proof: **Say** that **here,** i.e., in the mishna cited, **we are dealing with a married woman, and that is the reason that he cannot nullify** the vow. It is not because it has been ratified by divorce but **because the husband cannot nullify** his wife’s vows **that precede** their marriage. The dilemma remains unresolved.