## Nedarim Daf 72b

###### Nedarim 72b:1
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**מַתְנִי׳** דֶּרֶךְ תַּלְמִידֵי חֲכָמִים, עַד שֶׁלֹּא הָיְתָה בִּתּוֹ יוֹצְאָה מֵאֶצְלוֹ, אוֹמֵר לָהּ: כׇּל נְדָרִים שֶׁנָּדַרְתְּ בְּתוֹךְ בֵּיתִי — הֲרֵי הֵן מוּפָרִין. וְכֵן הַבַּעַל, עַד שֶׁלֹּא תִּכָּנֵס לִרְשׁוּתוֹ, אוֹמֵר לָהּ: כׇּל נְדָרִים שֶׁנָּדַרְתְּ עַד שֶׁלֹּא תִּכָּנְסִי לִרְשׁוּתִי — הֲרֵי הֵן מוּפָרִין. שֶׁמִּשֶּׁתִּכָּנֵס לִרְשׁוּתוֹ — אֵינוֹ יָכוֹל לְהָפֵר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**MISHNA:** **The practice of Torah scholars** is to ensure that a woman about to be married should not be encumbered by any vows. A father, **before his daughter would leave him** through marriage, **would say to her: All vows that you vowed in my house are hereby nullified. And similarly, the husband, before she would enter his jurisdiction,** i.e., while they were still betrothed, **would say to her: All vows that you vowed before you entered my jurisdiction are hereby nullified.** This was necessary **because once she enters his jurisdiction he cannot nullify** the vows she made before that.


###### Nedarim 72b:2
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**גְּמָ׳** בָּעֵי רָמֵי בַּר חָמָא: בַּעַל, מַהוּ שֶׁיָּפֵר בְּלֹא שְׁמִיעָה? ״וְשָׁמַע אִישָׁהּ״ דַּוְקָא הוּא, אוֹ לָאו דַּוְקָא הוּא?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**GEMARA:** **Rami bar Ḥama asks:** Concerning **a husband, what is** the *halakha* **with regard** to his **nullifying** a vow **without hearing** it? In other words, can a husband state a general nullification of his wife’s vows without being aware of any particular vow? When the verse states: **“And her husband hears** it, on the day that he hears it, and holds his peace at her, then her vows shall be ratified” (Numbers 30:8), **is** that referring **specifically** to a situation where he actually heard of a vow, and only then he can nullify it? **Or is** it **not specifically** referring to such a situation, and the mention of hearing is merely because the ordinary situation is that the husband nullifies a vow once he hears it?


###### Nedarim 72b:3
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אָמַר רָבָא, תָּא שְׁמַע: דֶּרֶךְ תַּלְמִידֵי חֲכָמִים, עַד שֶׁלֹּא יָצָאת בִּתּוֹ מֵאֶצְלוֹ, אוֹמֵר לָהּ: כׇּל נְדָרִים שֶׁנָּדַרְתְּ בְּתוֹךְ בֵּיתִי — הֲרֵי הֵן מוּפָרִין, וְהָא לָא שְׁמַע!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rava said: Come** and **hear** the mishna: **The practice of Torah scholars** is that a father, **before his daughter would leave him** through marriage, **would say to her: All vows that you vowed in my house are hereby nullified.** Rava points out: **But** the father **did not hear** her vows, so it must be that one can nullify vows without knowledge that they were actually made.


###### Nedarim 72b:4
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לְכִי שָׁמַע הוּא דְּמֵיפַר. אִם כֵּן, כִּי לָא שְׁמַע, לְמָה לֵיהּ לְמֵימַר? הָא קָמַשְׁמַע לַן: אוֹרְחֵיהּ דְּצוּרְבָּא מֵרַבָּנַן לְהַדּוֹרֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this conclusion: The mishna means that the father states a preemptive nullification that **when he** will **hear** a particular vow **is when he nullifies** it. The vow is not actually nullified until he hears it. The Gemara asks: **If so, when he has not** actually **heard** those vows yet, **why** is it necessary **for him to state** preemptively that the vows will be nullified; why not wait until he actually hears the vow? The Gemara answers: **This teaches us** that it is **the practice of a Torah scholar to pursue** such matters, in order to prompt his daughter or his betrothed to inform him of vows she took, which will then be nullified when he hears of them.


###### Nedarim 72b:5
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תָּא שְׁמַע מִסֵּיפָא: וְכֵן הַבַּעַל, עַד שֶׁלֹּא תִּכָּנֵס לִרְשׁוּתוֹ, אוֹמֵר לָהּ. הָכָא נָמֵי, דְּאָמַר לַהּ: ״לְכִי שָׁמַעְנָא״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara suggests: **Come** and **hear from the latter clause** of the mishna: **And similarly, the husband, before she would enter his jurisdiction,** i.e., while they were still betrothed, **would say to her:** All vows that you vowed before you entered my jurisdiction are hereby nullified. This implies that he can nullify vows without hearing them. The Gemara responds: **Here too,** it means **that he says to her: When I hear** the particular vow, then it will be nullified.


###### Nedarim 72b:6
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תָּא שְׁמַע: הָאוֹמֵר לְאִשְׁתּוֹ ״כׇּל נְדָרִים שֶׁתִּדּוֹרִי עַד שֶׁאָבֹא מִמָּקוֹם פְּלוֹנִי הֲרֵי הֵן קַיָּימִין״ — לֹא אָמַר כְּלוּם. ״הֲרֵי הֵן מוּפָרִין״, רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר אוֹמֵר: מוּפָר. וְהָא לָא שְׁמַע.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Come** and **hear** another mishna to answer the question (*Nedarim* 75a): **One who says to his wife: All vows that you vow until I arrive from such and such a place are hereby ratified, has not said anything,** i.e., the vows are not ratified. If he says: All vows that you vow until then **are hereby nullified, Rabbi Eliezer says:** They are **nullified.** The Gemara comments: **But he did not** actually **hear** the particular vows, so one can infer from this that he need not hear her vows in order to nullify them.


###### Nedarim 72b:7
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הָכָא נָמֵי, דְּאָמַר: ״לְכִי שָׁמַעְנָא״. וּלְמָה לִי מִן הַשְׁתָּא? לְכִי שָׁמַע לֵיפַר לַהּ! קָסָבַר: דִּלְמָא מִטְּרִידְנָא הָהִיא שַׁעְתָּא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this suggestion: **Here too,** one can understand the situation to be **that he says: When I hear** the particular vow, it will be nullified. The Gemara asks: **But** if so, **why do I** need, i.e., why must the husband state his nullification, **from now; let him nullify** them **for her when he** actually **hears** them. The Gemara answers: **He reasons: Perhaps I will be preoccupied at that moment** and will forget to nullify them. He therefore nullifies the vows beforehand, so that the nullification will take effect automatically when he hears them.


###### Nedarim 72b:8
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תָּא שְׁמַע: הָאוֹמֵר לְאַפּוֹטְרוֹפּוֹס ״כׇּל נְדָרִים שֶׁנּוֹדֶרֶת אִשְׁתִּי מִכָּאן וְעַד שֶׁאָבֹא מִמָּקוֹם פְּלוֹנִי הָפֵר״, וְהֵפֵר לֵהּ, יָכוֹל יְהוּ מוּפָרִין — תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״אִישָׁהּ יְקִימֶנּוּ וְאִישָׁהּ יְפֵרֶנּוּ״. דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי יֹאשִׁיָּה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Come** and **hear** a *baraita*: In the case of **one who says to a steward [*apotropos*]** appointed to manage his affairs in his absence: **All vows that my wife vows from now until I arrive from such and such a place** you should **nullify, and** the steward **nullified** the vows for **her,** one **might** have thought that **they would be nullified.** Therefore, **the verse states: “Her husband may ratify it, or her husband may nullify it”** (Numbers 30:14). The repetition of “her husband” teaches that it is the husband alone who may nullify his wife’s vows; this is **the statement of Rabbi Yoshiya.**


###### Nedarim 72b:9
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אָמַר לוֹ רַבִּי יוֹנָתָן: מָצִינוּ בְּכׇל הַתּוֹרָה כּוּלָּהּ שְׁלוּחוֹ שֶׁל אָדָם כְּמוֹתוֹ?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Yonatan said to him: We have found everywhere in the Torah** that the legal status of **a person’s agent is like** that of **himself.** Therefore, a steward can nullify the vows on the husband’s behalf.


###### Nedarim 72b:10
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וַאֲפִילּוּ רַבִּי יֹאשִׁיָּה לָא קָאָמַר אֶלָּא מִשּׁוּם דִּגְזֵירַת הַכָּתוּב הוּא ״אִישָׁהּ יְקִימֶנּוּ וְאִישָׁהּ יְפֵרֶנּוּ״, אֲבָל דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא שְׁלוּחוֹ שֶׁל אָדָם כְּמוֹתוֹ. וְהָא לָא שְׁמִיעַ לֵיהּ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara points out: **And even Rabbi Yoshiya says** that a steward cannot nullify the wife’s vows **only because it is a Torah edict,** based upon the words **“her husband may ratify it, or her husband may nullify it”** (Numbers 30:14). **But** according **to everyone,** the principle that the legal status of **a person’s agent is like** that of **himself** is generally valid. The only objection to the steward nullifying the vows is the Torah edict. The Gemara asks: **But** these vows **were not heard by** the steward? This indicates that not having heard the vows is not an obstacle to nullification.