## Nedarim Daf 86a

###### Nedarim 86a:1
[Nedarim 86a:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Nedarim/r/86a:1)

אָמַר רַבִּי אִילָא: וּמָה אִילּוּ אוֹמֵר לַחֲבֵירוֹ ״שָׂדֶה זוֹ שֶׁאֲנִי מוֹכֵר לְךָ, לִכְשֶׁאֶקָּחֶנָּה מִמְּךָ — תִּקָּדֵישׁ״, מִי לָא קָדְשָׁה?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Ila said: And what** is the *halakha* **if** one person **says to another** before selling him a field: **This field that I am selling to you** now, **when I will buy it** back **from you, let it be consecrated? Is** the field **not consecrated** when it is repurchased? In similar fashion, a woman can consecrate her future handiwork, even though the sanctity cannot presently take effect.


###### Nedarim 86a:2
[Nedarim 86a:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Nedarim/r/86a:2)

מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה: מִי דָּמֵי? ״שָׂדֶה זוֹ שֶׁאֲנִי מוֹכֵר לְךָ״ — הַשְׁתָּא בִּידֵיהּ הִיא. אִשָּׁה, בְּיָדָהּ לְהַקְדִּישׁ מַעֲשֵׂה יָדֶיהָ?! הָא לָא דָּמֵי אֶלָּא לָאוֹמֵר לַחֲבֵירוֹ ״שָׂדֶה זוֹ שֶׁמָּכַרְתִּי לְךָ, לִכְשֶׁאֶקָּחֶנָּה מִמְּךָ — תִּקָּדֵישׁ״, מִי קָדְשָׁה?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Yirmeya objects to this** comparison: **Are** the two cases **comparable?** When a person says: Let **this field that I am selling to you** now be consecrated when I buy it back from you, **now** at least the field **is** still **in his possession,** and he can therefore consecrate it now, stipulating that the consecration should take effect only when it returns to his ownership. As for the **woman,** however, is it currently **in her power to consecrate her handiwork?** At present it does not belong to her. **This** case **is comparable only to** that of **one who said to another:** With regard to **this field that I sold to you** in the past, **when I will buy it** back **from you, let it be consecrated.** In such a case, **is** the field **consecrated** when it is repurchased?


###### Nedarim 86a:3
[Nedarim 86a:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Nedarim/r/86a:3)

מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רַב פָּפָּא: מִי דָּמֵי?! גַּבֵּי זְבִינָא — פְּסִיקָא מִילְּתַיְיהוּ. גַּבֵּי אִשָּׁה מִי פְּסִיקָא מִילְּתָא? הָא לָא דָּמֵי אֶלָּא לָאוֹמֵר לַחֲבֵירוֹ ״שָׂדֶה זוֹ שֶׁמִּשְׁכַּנְתִּי לְךָ, לִכְשֶׁאֶפְדֶּנָּה מִמְּךָ — תִּקָּדֵישׁ״, מִי לָא קָדְשָׁה?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Pappa objects to this** comparison: **Are** the cases **comparable? In** the case of **the sale** of a field, **the matter is clear-cut,** i.e., it is evident that the field belongs absolutely to its new owner, the buyer. In contrast, **in** the case of **a woman, is the matter clear-cut?** Even though the husband has rights to his wife’s handiwork, he does not own her body. Therefore, **this** case of a woman **is comparable only to** that of one person **who said to another:** With regard to **this field that I pledged to you, when I will redeem it** back **from you, let it be consecrated.** Here, the owner retains possession of the field itself, but another person enjoys the right to its fruit. In this case, **is** the field **not consecrated** when it is redeemed? Here too, a woman retains ownership of her body and she can consecrate her handiwork, stipulating that the consecration should take effect only after she is divorced.


###### Nedarim 86a:4
[Nedarim 86a:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Nedarim/r/86a:4)

מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רַב שִׁישָׁא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב אִידִי: מִי דָּמֵי? שָׂדֶה בְּיָדוֹ לִפְדּוֹתוֹ. אִשָּׁה בְּיָדָהּ לְהִתְגָּרֵשׁ?! הָא לָא דָּמְיָא אֶלָּא לָאוֹמֵר לַחֲבֵירוֹ ״שָׂדֶה זוֹ שֶׁמִּשְׁכַּנְתִּי לְךָ לְעֶשֶׂר שָׁנִים, לִכְשֶׁאֶפְדֶּנָּה מִמְּךָ — תִּקָּדֵישׁ״, מִי לָא קָדְשָׁה?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Sheisha, son of Rav Idi, objects to this** comparison: **Are** the cases **comparable?** In the case of **a field, it is in** the owner’s **power to redeem it** immediately by repaying his debt. But as for **a woman,** is it **in her power to be divorced** whenever she chooses? Therefore, **this** case **is comparable only to** that of **one who said to another:** With regard to **this field that I pledged to you for ten years, when I will redeem it from you, let it be consecrated.** In such a case, even though the owner cannot redeem the field for ten years, **is it not consecrated** once it is redeemed?


###### Nedarim 86a:5
[Nedarim 86a:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Nedarim/r/86a:5)

מַתְקֵיף לַהּ רַב אָשֵׁי: מִי דָּמֵי?! הָתָם קִיץ. אִשָּׁה מִי אִית לַהּ קִיצּוּתָא?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ashi objects to this** comparison: **Are** the cases **comparable? There,** in the case of a field, there is a **fixed** time frame of ten years. But in the case of **a woman, is there a fixed** time limit, so that she can know in advance when she will be divorced and released from her husband’s jurisdiction?