## Shabbat Daf 81a

###### Shabbat 81a:1
[Shabbat 81a:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Shabbat/r/81a:1)

**מַתְנִי׳** עֶצֶם כְּדֵי לַעֲשׂוֹת תַּרְווֹד. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: כְּדֵי לַעֲשׂוֹת מִמֶּנּוּ חָף. זְכוּכִית — כְּדֵי לִגְרוֹר בָּהּ רֹאשׁ הַכַּרְכֵּר. צְרוֹר אוֹ אֶבֶן — כְּדֵי לִזְרוֹק בָּעוֹף. רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בַּר יַעֲקֹב אוֹמֵר: כְּדֵי לִזְרוֹק בַּבְּהֵמָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**MISHNA:** The measure that determines liability for carrying out **a bone** is **equivalent** to that which is used **to make a spoon. Rabbi Yehuda says:** In a measure **equivalent** to that which is used **to make from it a key.** The measure that determines liability for carrying out **glass** is **equivalent** to that which is used **to scrape** and smooth **the top of a bobbin,** a sharpened stick used by weavers. The measure that determines liability for carrying out **a pebble or a stone** is **equivalent** to that which is used **to throw at a bird** to chase it away. **Rabbi Elazar bar Ya’akov says: Equivalent** to that which is used **to throw at an animal,** which is larger.


###### Shabbat 81a:2
[Shabbat 81a:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Shabbat/r/81a:2)

**גְּמָ׳** לְמֵימְרָא דְּשִׁיעוּרָא דְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה נְפִישׁ? הָא קַיְימָא לַן דְּשִׁיעוּרָא דְרַבָּנַן נְפִישׁ! אָמַר עוּלָּא: חֲפֵי פּוֹתַחַת. תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן: חֲפֵי פּוֹתַחַת טְהוֹרִין, קְבָעָן בַּפּוֹתַחַת טְמֵאִין. וְשֶׁל גַּל, אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁחִיבְּרָן בַּדֶּלֶת וּקְבָעָן בְּמַסְמְרִים טְהוֹרִין — שֶׁכׇּל הַמְחוּבָּר לַקַּרְקַע הֲרֵי הוּא כַּקַּרְקַע.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**GEMARA:** The Gemara asks: **Is that to say that the measure of Rabbi Yehuda is greater? Don’t we maintain that the measure of the Rabbis is greater? Ulla said:** Rabbi Yehuda did not refer to the entire key, but to **the teeth of a key.** With regard to the above, the Gemara cites that which **the Sages taught** in a *baraita*: **The teeth of a key are ritually pure,** and they cannot become impure when separate from the key, as they have no function on their own. However, if **one affixed them to a key, they** can become **ritually impure** as part of a utensil. **And** teeth **of a lock, even though one attached them to the door and affixed them with nails, are ritually pure, as anything attached to the ground has** the same legal status **as the ground** itself, which cannot become ritually impure.


###### Shabbat 81a:3
[Shabbat 81a:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Shabbat/r/81a:3)

זְכוּכִית כְּדֵי לִגְרוֹר בָּהּ. תָּנָא: סְכוּכִית — כְּדֵי לִפְצוֹעַ בָּהּ שְׁנֵי נִימִין כְּאַחַת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
We learned in the mishna: The measure that determines liability for carrying out **glass** is **equivalent** to that which is used **to scrape** and smooth the top of a bobbin. A *tanna* **taught** that *halakha* in a *Tosefta* in a different manner: The measure that determines liability for carrying out **glass** is **equivalent** to that which is used **to cut two threads at once,** as a glass shard can be used in place of a knife.


###### Shabbat 81a:4
[Shabbat 81a:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Shabbat/r/81a:4)

צְרוֹר אוֹ אֶבֶן כְּדֵי לִזְרוֹק בָּעוֹף. רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר כּוּ׳. אָמַר רַבִּי יַעֲקֹב אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: וְהוּא שֶׁמַּרְגֶּשֶׁת בָּהּ. וְכַמָּה שִׁיעוּרוֹ? תַּנְיָא, רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בֶּן יַעֲקֹב אוֹמֵר: מִשְׁקַל עֲשָׂרָה זוּז.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
We learned in the mishna: The measure that determines liability for carrying out **a pebble or a stone** is **equivalent** to that which is used **to throw at a bird** to chase it away. **Rabbi Elazar** ben Ya’akov says: Equivalent to that which is used to throw at an animal. **Rabbi Ya’akov said** that **Rabbi Yoḥanan said: And that is** only if the stone is large enough **that** the animal **feels it. And how much is the measure** of that stone? **It was taught** in a *baraita*: **Rabbi Elazar ben Ya’akov says: A weight of ten *zuz*.**


###### Shabbat 81a:5
[Shabbat 81a:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Shabbat/r/81a:5)

זוּנִין עַל לְבֵי מִדְרְשָׁא, אֲמַר לְהוּ: רַבּוֹתַי, אֲבָנִים שֶׁל בֵּית הַכִּסֵּא שִׁיעוּרָן בְּכַמָּה? אָמְרוּ לוֹ: כְּזַיִת כֶּאֱגוֹז וּכְבֵיצָה. אֲמַר לְהוּ: וְכִי טוּרְטָנֵי יַכְנִיס? נִמְנוּ וְגָמְרוּ מְלֹא הַיָּד. תַּנְיָא, רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: כְּזַיִת כֶּאֱגוֹז וּכְבֵיצָה. רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר מִשּׁוּם אָבִיו: מְלֹא הַיָּד.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara relates: **Zunin entered the study hall** and **said to** the Sages: **My teachers,** with regard to **stones** that may be moved on Shabbat for wiping in **the bathroom, how much is their measure? They said to him:** Stones of only three sizes may be moved for that purpose: **An olive-bulk, a nut-bulk, and an egg-bulk. He said to them: And will he take scales [*turtani*] into** the bathroom to weigh each stone? **They were counted and the Sages concluded** that one need not measure the stones. He simply takes **a handful** of stones. **It was taught** in a *baraita*: **Rabbi Yosei says** the measure of bathroom stones is **an olive-bulk, a nut-bulk, and an egg-bulk. Rabbi Shimon, son of Rabbi Yosei, says in the name of his father:** One need not measure the stones. He simply takes **a handful** of stones.


###### Shabbat 81a:6
[Shabbat 81a:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Shabbat/r/81a:6)

תָּנוּ רַבָּנַן בְּשַׁבָּת: שָׁלֹשׁ אֲבָנִים מְקוּרְזָלוֹת מוּתָּר לְהַכְנִיס לְבֵית הַכִּסֵּא. וְכַמָּה שִׁיעוּרָן? רַבִּי מֵאִיר אוֹמֵר: כֶּאֱגוֹז. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: כְּבֵיצָה. אָמַר רַפְרָם בַּר פָּפָּא אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: כַּמַּחֲלוֹקֶת כָּאן כָּךְ מַחֲלוֹקֶת בְּאֶתְרוֹג. הָתָם מַתְנִיתִין, הָכָא בָּרָיְיתָא! אֶלָּא: כַּמַּחֲלוֹקֶת בְּאֶתְרוֹג כָּךְ מַחֲלוֹקֶת כָּאן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Our Sages taught** in a *baraita* **with regard to Shabbat: Three sharpened stones may be taken into the bathroom. And what is their measure? Rabbi Meir says: A nut-bulk; Rabbi Yehuda says: An egg-bulk. Rafram bar Pappa said** that **Rav Ḥisda said: Like** the **dispute here, so too,** there **is a dispute** between these Sages **with regard to** the minimum size of **a citron.** The Gemara is surprised at the comparison. Why does the Gemara cite this *baraita* as a mnemonic to recall the dispute about the size of a citron? **There,** with regard to a citron, it is **a mishna** that is known by all; **here** it is **a *baraita*,** which is more obscure and more likely to require a mnemonic and a comparison to a more popular source. **Rather,** the phrasing is reversed: **Like** the **dispute** with regard to **a citron, so too,** there **is a dispute here.**


###### Shabbat 81a:7
[Shabbat 81a:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Shabbat/r/81a:7)

אָמַר רַב יְהוּדָה: אֲבָל לֹא אֶת הַפָּאיֵיס. מַאי ״פָּאיֵיס״? אָמַר רַבִּי זֵירָא: כַּרְשִׁינֵי בַּבְלָיָיתָא. אָמַר רָבָא: אָסוּר לְמַשְׁמֵשׁ בִּצְרוֹר בְּשַׁבָּת כְּדֶרֶךְ שֶׁמְּמַשְׁמֵשׁ בַּחוֹל. מַתְקִיף לַהּ מָר זוּטְרָא: לִיסְתַּכַּן? כִּלְאַחַר יָד. אָמַר רַבִּי יַנַּאי: אִם יֵשׁ מָקוֹם קָבוּעַ לְבֵית הַכִּסֵּא — מְלֹא הַיָּד. אִם לָאו — כַּהֶכְרֵעַ מְדוֹכָה קְטַנָּה שֶׁל בְּשָׂמִים. אָמַר רַב שֵׁשֶׁת: אִם יֵשׁ עָלֶיהָ עֵד — מוּתָּר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Yehuda said: However,** one may **not** move **the *payis*** for use in a bathroom. The Gemara asks: **What is** the meaning of ***payis*? Rabbi Zeira said:** It refers to **clods of Babylonian earth,** which is soft and flaky. **Rava said: It is prohibited to manipulate** the anus **with a stone on Shabbat** to help discharge bodily functions **in the manner** that **one manipulates** it **on weekdays. Mar Zutra strongly objected to this:** According to Rava, should one **endanger himself** by refraining from relieving himself? The Gemara explains: He meant he should do so **in an unusual manner** and not in the manner it is typically done. With regard to the size of stones, **Rabbi Yannai said: If** he has **a fixed place for a bathroom,** he may take **a handful** of stones; if he does not need them on Shabbat, he can use them on another occasion. **If** he does **not** have a fixed place he may bring in **an average size** stone, which is the size **of a small mortar** used **for** crushing **spices. Rav Sheshet said: If** the stone **has an indication on it** that it has already been used in the bathroom, **one is permitted** to move it for that purpose on Shabbat, regardless of its size.


###### Shabbat 81a:8
[Shabbat 81a:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Shabbat/r/81a:8)

מֵיתִיבִי? עֲשָׂרָה דְּבָרִים מְבִיאִין אֶת הָאָדָם לִידֵי תַחְתּוֹנִיּוֹת, וְאֵלּוּ הֵן: הָאוֹכֵל עֲלֵי קָנִים, וַעֲלֵי גְפָנִים, וְלוּלַבֵּי גְפָנִים, וּמוֹרִיגֵּי בְהֵמָה בְּלֹא מֶלַח, וְשִׁדְרוֹ שֶׁל דָּג, וְדָג מָלִיחַ שֶׁלֹּא בִּישֵּׁל כׇּל צוֹרְכּוֹ, וְהַשּׁוֹתֶה שִׁמְרֵי יַיִן, וְהַמְקַנֵּחַ בְּסִיד, וּבְחַרְסִית, וְהַמְקַנֵּחַ בִּצְרוֹר שֶׁקִּינַּח בּוֹ חֲבֵרוֹ. וְיֵשׁ אוֹמְרִים: אַף הַתּוֹלֶה עַצְמוֹ בְּבֵית הַכִּסֵּא. לָא קַשְׁיָא: הָא בְּלַח, הָא בְּיָבֵשׁ. וְאִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא: כָּאן מִצַּד אֶחָד, וְכָאן מִשְּׁנֵי צְדָדִין. וְאִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא: הָא דִּידֵיהּ, הָא דְּחַבְרֵיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara **raises an objection:** Is it permitted to wipe with a stone that was already used? Didn’t the Sages say: **Ten things bring a person to** suffer from **hemorrhoids and they are: One who eats the leaves of bulrushes, grape leaves, tendrils of grapevines, the palate and tongue of an animal,** as well as any other part of the animal which is not smooth and which has protrusions, **without salt, the spine of a fish, a salty fish that is not fully cooked, and one who drinks wine dregs, and one who cleans himself with lime and clay,** the materials from which earthenware is made, **and one who cleans himself with a stone with which another** person **has cleaned himself. And some say: One who suspends himself in the bathroom as well.** Apparently, using a previously used stone is dangerous to one’s health. The Gemara answers: This is **not difficult. Here,** where it is prohibited, is referring **to** a case where the stone is still **moist. Here,** where it is permitted, is referring **to** a case where the stone is **dry. And if you wish, say** instead that **here,** where it is prohibited, is referring to **one side,** using the side that was already used; **here,** where it is permitted, is referring **to both sides,** using the other side of the same stone. **And if you wish, say** instead that **this,** where it is permitted, is referring **to one’s own** stone, which he used to clean himself; **this,** where it is prohibited, is referring to **another** person’s stone, which poses a danger.


###### Shabbat 81a:9
[Shabbat 81a:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Shabbat/r/81a:9)

אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי לְרַב יוֹסֵף: יָרְדוּ עָלֶיהָ גְּשָׁמִים וְנִטַּשְׁטְשׁוּ מַהוּ? אֲמַר לֵיהּ: אִם הָיָה רִישּׁוּמָן נִיכָּר — מוּתָּר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Abaye said to Rav Yosef:** What is the ruling if **rain fell on** the stone **and** the indications that it had been used previously in the bathroom **were obscured?** The dilemma is: Is moving it permitted like a stone that is designated for use in the bathroom on Shabbat, or, is moving it prohibited since its indications were obscured and it might have the legal status of set-aside? Rav Yosef **said to him: If indication on them is apparent,** even though it is partially obscured, **it is permitted,** since the stone remains clear that it is designated for use in the bathroom.


###### Shabbat 81a:10
[Shabbat 81a:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Shabbat/r/81a:10)

בְּעָא מִינֵּיהּ רַבָּהּ בַּר רַב שֵׁילָא מֵרַב

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabba bar Rav Sheila raised a dilemma before Rav**