## Sukkah Daf 13b

###### Sukkah 13b:1
[Sukkah 13b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:1)

אֶלָּא אֵימָא: עַד שֶׁתְּהֵא תְּחִלָּתוֹ כִּשְׁיָרָיו אֶחָד.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather,** emend the *baraita* and **say:** It is unfit **only when its origins, like its remnants,** are **one.**


###### Sukkah 13b:2
[Sukkah 13b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:2)

דָּרֵשׁ מָרִימָר: הָנֵי אִיסּוּרְיָיתָא דְסוּרָא — מְסַכְּכִין בְּהוּ. אַף עַל גַּב דַּאֲגִדָן — לְמִנְיָנָא בְּעָלְמָא הוּא דַּאֲגִדָן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Mareimar taught:** With regard to **these bundles** of reeds **from Sura** that are bound for sale, **one** may **roof** the *sukka* **with them. Although** the seller **bound them, he bound them merely to** ascertain **the number** more readily, and they will not remain bound.


###### Sukkah 13b:3
[Sukkah 13b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:3)

אָמַר רַבִּי אַבָּא: הָנֵי צְרִיפֵי דְאוּרְבָּנֵי, כֵּיוָן שֶׁהוּתְּרָה רָאשֵׁי מַעֲדַנִּים שֶׁלָּהֶן — כְּשֵׁרִין. וְהָא אֲגִידִי מִתַּתַּאי! אֲמַר רַב פָּפָּא: דְּשָׁרֵי לְהוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Abba said:** With regard to **these huts** made **of willow branches, once their upper ties** holding them together **are undone,** they are **fit** roofing. The Gemara asks: **But aren’t they** still **tied from below? Rav Pappa said:** Rabbi Abba is referring to a case **where he unties them** from below as well.


###### Sukkah 13b:4
[Sukkah 13b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:4)

(וְאָמַר) רַב הוּנָא בְּרֵיהּ דְּרַב יְהוֹשֻׁעַ: אֲפִילּוּ תֵּימָא דְּלָא שָׁרֵי לְהוּ, כׇּל אֶגֶד שֶׁאֵינוֹ עָשׂוּי לְטַלְטְלוֹ — לָא שְׁמֵיהּ אֶגֶד.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Huna, son of Rav Yehoshua, said: Even** if **you say** that Rabbi Abba is referring to a case **where one does not untie them** from below, they are fit for *sukka* roofing, as **any binding** that is **not destined to be moved is not considered a binding.** Since these huts are untied from above, were one to attempt to move them, they would fall apart.


###### Sukkah 13b:5
[Sukkah 13b:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:5)

אָמַר רַבִּי אַבָּא אָמַר שְׁמוּאֵל: יְרָקוֹת שֶׁאָמְרוּ חֲכָמִים אָדָם יוֹצֵא בָּהֶן יְדֵי חוֹבָתוֹ בַּפֶּסַח, מְבִיאִין אֶת הַטּוּמְאָה, וְאֵין חוֹצְצִין בִּפְנֵי הַטּוּמְאָה, וּפוֹסְלִין בַּסּוּכָּה מִשּׁוּם אֲוִיר. מַאי טַעְמָא — כֵּיוָן דִּלְכִי יָבְשִׁי פָּרְכִי וְנָפְלִי, כְּמַאן דְּלֵיתַנְהוּ דָּמֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rabbi Abba said** that **Shmuel said:** With regard to **vegetables** about **which the Sages said: One fulfills his obligation** to eat bitter herbs **on Passover,** if they are spread over a source of ritual impurity imparted by a corpse, they **transmit ritual impurity,** and the impurity spreads to objects beneath them. **And,** nevertheless, the Sages decreed that **they do not serve as a barrier before the spread of ritual impurity.** The impurity breaches roofing made of these vegetables and rises upward, as if there were no covering over it. If one roofs a *sukka* with these vegetables, it is as if they were not there at all, **and they render a *sukka* unfit due to** the unfitness of **airspace.** Just as three handbreadths of airspace in the roofing renders a *sukka* unfit, so too, three handbreadths of these vegetables in the roofing renders a *sukka* unfit. **What is the reason** for this *halakha*? **Since when they dry they crumble and fall,** even while fresh, they are **as one that is not there.**


###### Sukkah 13b:6
[Sukkah 13b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:6)

וְאָמַר רַבִּי אַבָּא אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: הַבּוֹצֵר לַגַּת — אֵין לוֹ יָדוֹת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Apropos the statements of Rabbi Abba, the Gemara cites another. **Rabbi Abba said** that **Rav Huna said:** In the case of **one who harvests** bunches of grapes **for the winepress,** these bunches **do not have handles.** The stems, which connect the grapes to the clusters, are not required for the production of wine. Therefore, their legal status is not that of a handle in terms of ritual impurity; they are merely waste. Consequently, if these stems come into contact with a source of ritual impurity, they do not become impure and they do not transmit impurity to the attached grapes.


###### Sukkah 13b:7
[Sukkah 13b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:7)

וְרַב מְנַשְּׁיָא בַּר גַּדָּא אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: הַקּוֹצֵר לִסְכָךְ — אֵין לוֹ יָדוֹת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And Rav Menashya bar Gadda said** that **Rav Huna said:** In the case of **one who harvests** grain **for roofing** a *sukka*, the grain **has no handles.** The legal status of the straw is not that of a handle for the grain. Since his interest is roofing his *sukka*, he wants only the straw, which is fit roofing, and not the grain, which is unfit. Therefore, in this context, the straw does not facilitate moving the grain.


###### Sukkah 13b:8
[Sukkah 13b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:8)

מַאן דְּאָמַר קוֹצֵר, כׇּל שֶׁכֵּן בּוֹצֵר — דְּלָא נִיחָא לֵיהּ, דְּלָא נִימְצְיֵיהּ לְחַמְרֵיהּ. מַאן דְּאָמַר בּוֹצֵר שֶׁאֵין לוֹ יָדוֹת, אֲבָל קוֹצֵר יֵשׁ לוֹ יָדוֹת — דְּנִיחָא לֵיהּ דְּלִיסַכֵּךְ בְּהוּ, כִּי הֵיכִי דְּלָא לִיבַּדְּרָן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara notes: **The one who said** that in the case of one who **harvests** grain, the straw is not a handle, **all the more so** would he say so in the case of one who **harvests** grapes, **since** the stems **are not suitable for his** needs. Stems are not wanted in the winepress, **so that they will not absorb wine.** By contrast, **the one who said** in the case of one who **harvests** grapes **that it has no handles,** he said so only in that case; **however,** in the case of **one who harvests** grain, he would say that **it has handles, since** the grain attached to the straw **is suitable for his** needs. He can **roof** the *sukka* **with them** and weigh down the straw, **so that it does not scatter** in the wind.


###### Sukkah 13b:9
[Sukkah 13b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:9)

נֵימָא דְּרַב מְנַשְּׁיָא בַּר גַּדָּא תַּנָּאֵי הִיא? דְּתַנְיָא: סוֹכֵי תְאֵנִים וּבָהֶן תְּאֵנִים, פַּרְכִּילִין וּבָהֶן עֲנָבִים, קַשִּׁין וּבָהֶן שִׁבֳּלִים, מַכְבֵּדוֹת וּבָהֶן תְּמָרִים, כּוּלָּן, אִם פְּסוֹלֶת מְרוּבָּה עַל הָאוֹכָלִין — כְּשֵׁרָה, וְאִם לָאו — פְּסוּלָה. אֲחֵרִים אוֹמְרִים: עַד שֶׁיְּהוּ קַשִּׁין מְרוּבִּין עַל הַיָּדוֹת וְעַל הָאוֹכָלִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara suggests: **Let us say that** the statement of **Rav Menashya bar Gadda is** subject to a dispute between ***tanna’im*, as it is taught** in a *baraita*: **Fig branches, and** there are **figs on them; vines, and** there are **grapes on them; straw, and** there are **stalks of grain on them; palm branches, and** there are **dates on them,** with regard to **them all, if the** amount of **waste is greater than** the amount of **the food,** a *sukka* roofed with them is **fit. And if not,** the *sukka* is **unfit. *Aḥerim* say:** The *sukka* is unfit **until the** amount of **straw is greater than** the combined amount of the handbreadth of **the handles** attached to the food that is susceptible to ritual impurity **and the food.**


###### Sukkah 13b:10
[Sukkah 13b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:10)

מַאי לָאו, בְּהָא קָא מִיפַּלְגִי: דְּמָר סָבַר יֵשׁ לָהֶן יָדוֹת, וּמַר סָבַר אֵין לָהֶן יָדוֹת!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara continues: **What, is it not** that **they disagree with regard to this: That** one **Sage,** *Aḥerim*, who said that the straw must be greater than the handles as well, **holds** that the produce designated for roofing **have handles; and** one **Sage,** the first *tanna*, who disagrees, **holds that they do not have handles?**


###### Sukkah 13b:11
[Sukkah 13b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:11)

לְרַבִּי אַבָּא — וַדַּאי תַּנָּאֵי הִיא. לְרַב מְנַשְּׁיָא בַּר גַּדָּא מִי לֵימָא תַּנָּאֵי הִיא? אָמַר לָךְ רַב מְנַשְּׁיָא: דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא סָבְרִי הַקּוֹצֵר לִסְכָךְ אֵין לוֹ יָדוֹת. וְהָכָא בְּמַאי עָסְקִינַן — כְּגוֹן שֶׁקְּוצָצָן לַאֲכִילָה, וְנִמְלַךְ עֲלֵיהֶן לְסִיכּוּךְ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara notes: **According to** the opinion of **Rabbi Abba,** who says that grape clusters harvested for the winepress do not have handles, but grain harvested for roofing does, **it is certainly** a dispute between ***tanna’im*.** Clearly, he holds in accordance with the opinion of *Aḥerim*, who hold that grain harvested for roofing has handles. However, **according to** the opinion of **Rav Menashya bar Gadda,** who says that grain harvested for roofing does not have handles, **shall we say** that **it is** a dispute between ***tanna’im*,** and that he holds in accordance with the first *tanna* of the *baraita*? **Rav Menashya** could have **said to you that everyone agrees:** With regard to **one who harvests** grain for **roofing,** the grain **does not have handles. And here** in the *baraita*, **with what are we dealing?** It is a case **where one** initially **cut** the stalks **for food, and reconsidered** his plan **for them,** and decided to use them **for roofing.** Since initially, as food, the grain had handles, its status does not change despite his change of intent.


###### Sukkah 13b:12
[Sukkah 13b:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/13b:12)

אִי קְוצָצָן לַאֲכִילָה, מַאי טַעְמַיְיהוּ דְּרַבָּנַן? וְכִי תֵּימָא קָסָבְרִי רַבָּנַן כֵּיוָן דְּנִמְלַךְ עֲלֵיהֶן לְסִיכּוּךְ, בָּטְלָה לֵיהּ מַחְשַׁבְתּוֹ. וּמִי בָּטְלָה לֵיהּ מַחְשָׁבָה בְּהָכִי? וְהָתְנַן: כׇּל הַכֵּלִים

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **If he cut them for food, what is the rationale** for the opinion **of the Rabbis** that the grain has no handles? As a rule, grain has handles. **And if you say** that **the Rabbis hold** that **once he reconsidered** his plan **for them** and decided to use them **for roofing, his** initial **intent was negated** and their legal status is like any other inedible roofing, and they consequently have no handles, the Gemara asks: **And was his** initial **intent negated in that** manner? **Didn’t we learn** in a mishna: **All vessels**