## Sukkah Daf 16b

###### Sukkah 16b:1
[Sukkah 16b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:1)

בֵּית שַׁמַּאי אוֹמְרִים מִלְמַעְלָה, וּבֵית הִלֵּל אוֹמְרִים מִלְּמַטָּה. אָמַר רַבִּי יְהוּדָה: לֹא תְּהֵא מְחִיצָה גְּדוֹלָה מִן הַכּוֹתֶל שֶׁבֵּינֵיהֶן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Beit Shammai say:** The partition that permits drawing water may be placed **below; and Beit Hillel said** it must be placed **above. Rabbi Yehuda said: A partition** for the cistern **should be no more** stringent **than the wall** serving as a partition **between** the two courtyards. Once there is a wall between courtyards, there is no need to erect an additional partition specifically for the cistern.


###### Sukkah 16b:2
[Sukkah 16b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:2)

אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר בַּר חָנָה אָמַר רַבִּי יוֹחָנָן: רַבִּי יְהוּדָה בְּשִׁיטַת רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אֲמָרָהּ, דְּאָמַר מְחִיצָה תְּלוּיָה מַתֶּרֶת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabba bar bar Ḥana said** that **Rabbi Yoḥanan said: Rabbi Yehuda stated** his opinion **in** accordance with **the opinion of Rabbi Yosei, who said** that **a suspended partition permits** one to carry, and therefore the wall between the courtyards suffices to divide the cistern as well.


###### Sukkah 16b:3
[Sukkah 16b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:3)

וְלָא הִיא, לָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה סָבַר לַהּ כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי, וְלָא רַבִּי יוֹסֵי סָבַר לַהּ כְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this equation. **And that is not so,** as **neither does Rabbi Yehuda hold in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei, nor does Rabbi Yosei hold in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda.**


###### Sukkah 16b:4
[Sukkah 16b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:4)

לָא רַבִּי יְהוּדָה סָבַר לַהּ כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי: עַד כָּאן לָא קָאָמַר רַבִּי יְהוּדָה הָתָם, אֶלָּא בְּעֵירוּבֵי חֲצֵירוֹת דְּרַבָּנַן. אֲבָל הָכָא, סוּכָּה דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא — לָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara elaborates: **Neither does Rabbi Yehuda hold in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Yosei, as Rabbi Yehuda states** his opinion that a suspended partition suffices **only there, with** regard to **the joining of the courtyards,** which is an obligation **by rabbinic** law. **However, here,** with regard to ***sukka*,** which is **by Torah** law, a suspended partition does **not** suffice.


###### Sukkah 16b:5
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וְלָא רַבִּי יוֹסֵי סָבַר לַהּ כְּרַבִּי יְהוּדָה: עַד כָּאן לָא קָאָמַר רַבִּי יוֹסֵי הָכָא, אֶלָּא בְּסוּכָּה דְּמִצְוַת עֲשֵׂה. אֲבָל שַׁבָּת, דְּאִיסּוּר סְקִילָה — לָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Nor does Rabbi Yosei hold in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Yehuda, as Rabbi Yosei states** his opinion that a suspended partition suffices **only here, with regard to a *sukka*, which is a positive mitzva. However,** in the case of carrying between courtyards on **Shabbat, which is a prohibition** that is punishable by **stoning, no,** a suspended partition does not suffice.


###### Sukkah 16b:6
[Sukkah 16b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:6)

וְאִם תֹּאמַר: מַעֲשֶׂה שֶׁנַּעֲשָׂה בְּצִיפּוֹרִי, עַל פִּי מִי נַעֲשָׂה? לֹא עַל פִּי רַבִּי יוֹסֵי, אֶלָּא עַל פִּי רַבִּי יִשְׁמָעֵאל בְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **And if you say:** Since Rabbi Yosei does not hold in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda with regard to the laws of Shabbat, **according to whose** opinion was the **action that was taken in Tzippori performed,** where they relied on suspended partitions even on Shabbat? The Gemara answers: It was **not** performed **according to** the opinion of **Rabbi Yosei** but **rather on the authority of Rabbi Yishmael, son of Rabbi Yosei.**


###### Sukkah 16b:7
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וּמַאי מַעֲשֶׂה — דְּכִי אֲתָא רַב דִּימִי, אָמַר: פַּעַם אַחַת שָׁכְחוּ וְלֹא הֵבִיאוּ סֵפֶר תּוֹרָה מֵעֶרֶב שַׁבָּת, לְמָחָר פֵּירְסוּ סְדִינִין עַל גַּבֵּי הָעַמּוּדִים, וְהֵבִיאוּ סֵפֶר תּוֹרָה וְקָרְאוּ בּוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And what** was that **incident? When Rav Dimi came** from Eretz Yisrael to Babylonia, **he said: One time they forgot and did not bring a Torah scroll** to the synagogue **on Shabbat eve** prior to the onset of Shabbat. **The next day,** on Shabbat, to avoid violating the prohibition against carrying, **they spread** and suspended **sheets on posts** that were fixed along the path from the house in which the Torah scroll was stored to the synagogue, establishing partitions. **And they brought a Torah scroll** along that path **and read from it.**


###### Sukkah 16b:8
[Sukkah 16b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:8)

פֵּירְסוּ סָלְקָא דַּעְתָּךְ? מֵהֵיכָן הֱבִיאוּם בְּשַׁבָּת! אֶלָּא, מָצְאוּ סְדִינִין פְּרוּסִין עַל גַּבֵּי הָעַמּוּדִים וְהֵבִיאוּ סֵפֶר תּוֹרָה וְקָרְאוּ בּוֹ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **Does it enter your mind** that **they spread** the sheets on Shabbat? Carrying before the partitions were established was prohibited. **From where did they bring** these sheets **on Shabbat? Rather, they found sheets** already **spread on the posts, and they brought a Torah scroll and read from it.** They relied on a suspended partition even in this matter related to Torah law. They relied neither on the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda nor on the opinion of Rabbi Yosei; rather, they relied on the authority of a third *tanna*.


###### Sukkah 16b:9
[Sukkah 16b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:9)

אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא אָמַר אֲבִימִי: מַחְצֶלֶת אַרְבָּעָה וּמַשֶּׁהוּ — מַתֶּרֶת בְּסוּכָּה מִשּׁוּם דּוֹפֶן. הֵיכִי עָבֵיד? תָּלֵי לֵיהּ בָּאֶמְצַע, פָּחוֹת מִשְּׁלֹשָׁה לְמַטָּה וּפָחוֹת מִשְּׁלֹשָׁה לְמַעְלָה, וְכׇל פָּחוֹת מִשְּׁלֹשָׁה כְּלָבוּד דָּמֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rav Ḥisda said** that **Avimi said: A mat** that is **four handbreadths and a bit** wide can **permit** the use of a *sukka* **as a wall.** The Gemara explains: **How does one accomplish** this? **He suspends it in the middle** of a space ten handbreadths high, with **less than three** handbreadths **below** it **and less than three** handbreadths **above** it. **And** the principle states: The legal status of **any** objects that have a gap of **less than three** handbreadths between them **is as if** they were **joined [*lavud*].** Therefore, a mat four handbreadths and a bit wide can constitute a fit partition of ten handbreadths.


###### Sukkah 16b:10
[Sukkah 16b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:10)

פְּשִׁיטָא? מַהוּ דְּתֵימָא: חַד לָבוּד אָמְרִינַן, תְּרֵי לָבוּד לָא אָמְרִינַן — קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: This is **obvious.** The principle of joining with regard to a gap of less than three handbreadths is well known. There is no need to teach this *halakha*. The Gemara answers: **Lest you say** that **we state** the principle of ***lavud* once** with regard to a particular surface but **we do not state** the principle of *lavud* **twice** to consider it joined in different directions, Avimi **teaches us** that one may implement the principle twice.


###### Sukkah 16b:11
[Sukkah 16b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:11)

מֵיתִיבִי: מַחְצֶלֶת שִׁבְעָה וּמַשֶּׁהוּ מַתֶּרֶת בְּסוּכָּה מִשּׁוּם דּוֹפֶן. כִּי תַּנְיָא הָהִיא, בְּסוּכָּה גְּדוֹלָה. וּמַאי קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן — דִּמְשַׁלְשְׁלִין דְּפָנוֹת מִלְמַעְלָה לְמַטָּה כְּרַבִּי יוֹסֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara **raises an objection** to the opinion of Avimi from a *baraita*: **A mat** that is **seven handbreadths and a bit** wide can **permit** use of a *sukka* **as a wall.** Apparently, a mat can serve as the wall of a *sukka* only when the principle of joined objects is implemented once. The Gemara answers: **When that *baraita* was taught, it was with regard to a large *sukka*,** one considerably higher than ten handbreadths. One suspends the mat from a bit less than three handbreadths from the roofing, and it is considered a fit *sukka* wall although it is a significant distance off the ground. **And what does it teach us?** It teaches **that one** may **lower walls from up downward, in accordance with** the opinion of **Rabbi Yosei.**


###### Sukkah 16b:12
[Sukkah 16b:12](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:12)

אָמַר רַבִּי אַמֵּי: פַּס אַרְבָּעָה וּמַשֶּׁהוּ — מַתִּיר בְּסוּכָּה מִשּׁוּם דּוֹפֶן. וּמוֹקֵים לֵיהּ בְּפָחוֹת מִשְּׁלֹשָׁה טְפָחִים סָמוּךְ דּוֹפֶן, וְכׇל פָּחוֹת מִשְּׁלֹשָׁה סָמוּךְ לַדּוֹפֶן כְּלָבוּד דָּמֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Apropos forming a *sukka* wall based on the principle of *lavud*, the Gemara cites that **Rabbi Ami said: A board** that measures **four** handbreadths **and a bit** can **permit** the use **of a *sukka*,** serving **as a wall, and** it is effective if **one establishes it less than three** handbreadths **from the** adjacent **wall. And** the principle states: The legal status of **any** objects with a gap of **less than three** handbreadths between them **is as if** they were **joined.**


###### Sukkah 16b:13
[Sukkah 16b:13](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/16b:13)

מַאי קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן? הָא קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן — שִׁיעוּר מֶשֶׁךְ סוּכָּה קְטַנָּה שִׁבְעָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **What is he teaching us?** The principle of *lavud* is well known. The Gemara answers: **He comes to teach us** that the minimum **measure** of the horizontal **extension** of the wall **of a small *sukka* is seven** handbreadths. Therefore, it is possible to establish a wall for the *sukka* using a board that measures four handbreadths and a bit.