## Sukkah Daf 5b

###### Sukkah 5b:1
[Sukkah 5b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/5b:1)

דְּבַר יוֹכָנִי! תָּפַשְׂתָּ מְרוּבֶּה לֹא תָּפַשְׂתָּ, תָּפַשְׂתָּ מוּעָט תָּפַשְׂתָּ. וְאֵימָא כְּאַפֵּי דְּצִיפַּרְתָּא דְּזוּטַר טוּבָא! אֲמַר רַב אַחָא בַּר יַעֲקֹב: רַב הוּנָא ״פְּנֵי״ ״פְּנֵי״ גָּמַר. כְּתִיב הָכָא: ״אֶל פְּנֵי הַכַּפּוֹרֶת״, וּכְתִיב הָתָם: ״מֵאֵת פְּנֵי יִצְחָק אָבִיו״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**of** a bird called ***bar Yokhani*,** whose face is significantly larger than a handbreadth? The Gemara rejects this suggestion: **If you grasped many, you did not grasp anything; if you grasped few, you grasped something.** The Gemara asks: If so, **say that it is like the face of a bird, which is extremely small? Rav Aḥa bar Ya’akov said: Rav Huna derives** that the thickness of the Ark cover was one handbreadth not through an actual comparison to the real faces of different creatures but rather by means of a verbal analogy between the terms ***penei*** and ***penei*** written in different places in the Torah. **It is written here: “Before [*penei*] the Ark cover”** (Leviticus 16:2), **and it is written there: “From the presence of [*penei*] Isaac his father”** (Genesis 27:30). The dimension of the Ark cover is like that of the face of a person, a handbreadth.


###### Sukkah 5b:2
[Sukkah 5b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/5b:2)

וְנֵילַף מִפָּנִים שֶׁל מַעְלָה, דִּכְתִיב: ״כִּרְאוֹת פְּנֵי אֱלֹהִים וַתִּרְצֵנִי״! תָּפַשְׂתָּ מְרוּבֶּה לֹא תָּפַשְׂתָּ, תָּפַשְׂתָּ מוּעָט תָּפַשְׂתָּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara suggests: **And let us derive** a verbal analogy **from the face of God, as it is written:** “For I have seen your face **as one sees the face of [*penei*] God, and you were pleased with me”** (Genesis 33:10). The term *penei* is used with regard to the face of God as well. The Gemara rejects this suggestion: **If you grasped many, you did not grasp anything; if you grasped few, you grasped something.**


###### Sukkah 5b:3
[Sukkah 5b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/5b:3)

וְנֵילַף מִכְּרוּב, דִּכְתִיב: ״אֶל הַכַּפּוֹרֶת יִהְיוּ פְּנֵי הַכְּרוּבִים״!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara suggests: **And let us derive** a verbal analogy **from** the face of the **cherub** in the Tabernacle and the Temple, **as it is written: “Toward the Ark cover shall be the faces of [*penei*] the cherubs”** (Exodus 25:20), and their faces were presumably smaller than one handbreadth.


###### Sukkah 5b:4
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אָמַר רַב אַחָא בַּר יַעֲקֹב: גְּמִירִי אֵין פְּנֵי כְרוּבִים פְּחוּתִין מִטֶּפַח, וְרַב הוּנָא נָמֵי מֵהָכָא גְּמִיר.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Aḥa bar Ya’akov said: We have learned** through tradition that **the faces of the cherubs were not smaller than a handbreadth,** and indeed **Rav Huna derived** the thickness of the Ark cover **from here as well,** i.e., from the verbal analogy between the instances of the word *penei* in the verses: “Upon the face of [*penei*] the Ark cover on the east” and: “The faces [*penei*] of the cherubs,” indicating that both are the same size.


###### Sukkah 5b:5
[Sukkah 5b:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Sukkah/r/5b:5)

וּמַאי כְּרוּב? אָמַר רַבִּי אֲבָהוּ: כְּרָבְיָא, שֶׁכֵּן בְּבָבֶל קוֹרִין לְיָנוֹקָא רָבְיָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Apropos the cherubs, the Gemara asks: **And what is** the form of the face of **a cherub [*keruv*]? Rabbi Abbahu said: Like** that of **a child [*keravya*], as in Babylonia one calls a child *ravya*.**


###### Sukkah 5b:6
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אֲמַר לֵיהּ אַבָּיֵי: אֶלָּא מֵעַתָּה, דִּכְתִיב: ״פְּנֵי הָאֶחָד פְּנֵי הַכְּרוּב וּפְנֵי הַשֵּׁנִי פְּנֵי אָדָם״, הַיְינוּ כְּרוּב הַיְינוּ אָדָם! אַפֵּי רַבְרְבֵי וְאַפֵּי זוּטְרֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Abaye said to him: But if** what you say is **so,** what is the meaning of **that** which **is written** about the faces of the celestial beasts drawing the celestial chariot: **“The face of the first was the face of the cherub, and the face of the second was the face of a man”** (Ezekiel 10:14)? According to your explanation, **this** face of the **cherub is** the same as **that** face of a **man.** The Gemara answers: Although two of the celestial beasts drawing that chariot had the face of a man, the difference between them is that one was **a large face and** one was **a small face.** In other words, the face described as the face of a man was the face of an adult, and the face described as the face of a cherub was that of a child. This is the source that the Ark and the Ark cover were ten handbreadths high.


###### Sukkah 5b:7
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וּמִמַּאי דַּחֲלָלַהּ עֲשָׂרָה בַּר מִסְּכָכַהּ? אֵימָא בַּהֲדֵי סְכָכַהּ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
However, with regard to the application of this measure to the *halakhot* of *sukka*, the Gemara asks: **And from where** is it derived **that** the **interior space** of the *sukka* must be **ten** handbreadths high **without the** thickness of the **roofing? Say** that the ten handbreadths of the *sukka* are **with the** thickness of the **roofing.** Just as the ten handbreadths of the Ark are measured from the bottom of the Ark to the top of the Ark cover, let the *sukka* be measured to the top of the roofing.


###### Sukkah 5b:8
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אֶלָּא מִבֵּית עוֹלָמִים גָּמַר, דִּכְתִיב: ״וְהַבַּיִת אֲשֶׁר בָּנָה הַמֶּלֶךְ שְׁלֹמֹה לַה׳ שִׁשִּׁים אַמָּה אׇרְכּוֹ וְעֶשְׂרִים רׇחְבּוֹ וּשְׁלֹשִׁים אַמָּה קוֹמָתוֹ״. וּכְתִיב: ״קוֹמַת הַכְּרוּב הָאֶחָד עֶשֶׂר בָּאַמָּה וְכֵן הַכְּרוּב הַשֵּׁנִי״, וְתַנְיָא: מָה מָצִינוּ בְּבֵית עוֹלָמִים כְּרוּבִים בִּשְׁלִישׁ הַבַּיִת הֵן עוֹמְדִין. מִשְׁכָּן נָמֵי — כְּרוּבִים שְׁלִישׁ הַבַּיִת הֵן עוֹמְדִין.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather,** the dimension of the *sukka* is not derived from the Ark; one instead **derived it from** the dimensions of **the eternal Temple, as it is written: “And the house which King Solomon built for the Lord, its length was sixty cubits, and its breadth twenty cubits, and its height thirty cubits”** (I Kings 6:2). **And it is written: “The height of the first cherub was ten cubits, and likewise was the second cherub”** (I Kings 6:26). **And it is taught** in a *baraita*: **Just as we find in the eternal Temple** that the **cherubs stand** reaching **one-third** the height **of the Temple,** as each cherub was ten cubits high and the Temple was thirty cubits high, **in the Tabernacle as well,** the **cherubs stand** reaching **one-third** the height of the Tabernacle.


###### Sukkah 5b:9
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מִשְׁכָּן כַּמָּה הָוֵי — עֶשֶׂר אַמּוֹת, דִּכְתִיב: ״עֶשֶׂר אַמּוֹת אוֹרֶךְ הַקָּרֶשׁ״, כַּמָּה הָוֵי לְהוּ — שִׁיתִּין פּוּשְׁכֵי, תִּלְתֵּיהּ כַּמָּה הָוֵי — עֶשְׂרִים פּוּשְׁכֵי, דַּל עַשְׂרָה דְּאָרוֹן וְכַפּוֹרֶת, פָּשׁוּ לְהוּ עַשְׂרָה, וּכְתִיב: ״וְהָיוּ הַכְּרוּבִים פּוֹרְשֵׂי כְנָפַיִם לְמַעְלָה סוֹכְכִים בְּכַנְפֵיהֶם עַל הַכַּפּוֹרֶת״, קַרְיֵיהּ רַחֲמָנָא סְכָכָה לְמַעְלָה מֵעֲשָׂרָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
And to calculate: **How many** cubits high **was the Tabernacle?** It was **ten cubits, as it is written: “Ten cubits shall be the length of a beam”** (Exodus 26:16). **How many** handbreadths **do these** ten cubits contain? They contain **sixty handbreadths. And one third of that** total **is how many?** It is **twenty handbreadths. Subtract** from this figure **ten** handbreadths **of the Ark and the Ark cover** upon which the cherubs stood, and **ten** handbreadths **remain,** which was the height of each individual cherub. **And it is written: “And the cherubs shall spread out their wings upward, screening [*sokhekhim*] the Ark cover with their wings”** (Exodus 25:20). Here **the Merciful One is referring to** the wings using the terminology of **roofing [*sekhakha*]** specifically **when** they are **ten** handbreadths **above** the Ark cover. This is a source that the roofing of the *sukka* is placed at least ten handbreadths high.


###### Sukkah 5b:10
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מִמַּאי דְּגַדְּפִינְהוּ עִילָּוֵי רֵישַׁיְיהוּ קָיְימִי, דִּלְמָא לַהֲדֵי רֵישַׁיְיהוּ קָיְימִי! אָמַר רַב אַחָא בַּר יַעֲקֹב: ״לְמַעְלָה״ כְּתִיב. וְאֵימָא דְּמִידְּלֵי טוּבָא? מִי כְּתִיב ״לְמַעְלָה לְמַעְלָה״?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **And from where** is it known **that their wings were** spread **above their heads,** from which it is derived that roofing is ten handbreadths high? **Perhaps they were** spread **level with their heads.** In that case, the ten handbreadths derived would include the roofing, leaving the interior space of the *sukka* less than ten handbreadths high. **Rav Aḥa bar Ya’akov said** that **it is written:** “Spread out their wings **upward,”** indicating that the wings were above their heads. The Gemara asks: If so, **say** that the wings **were extremely high** to an unspecified height. The Gemara answers: **Does the verse say: Upward, upward?** It says upward only once, meaning slightly over their heads. There is proof from the verses that the roofing was at least ten handbreadths off the ground.


###### Sukkah 5b:11
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הָנִיחָא לְרַבִּי מֵאִיר, דְּאָמַר: כׇּל הָאַמּוֹת הָיוּ בֵּינוֹנִיּוֹת. אֶלָּא לְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה דְּאָמַר, אַמָּה שֶׁל בִּנְיָן שִׁשָּׁה טְפָחִים, וְשֶׁל כֵּלִים חֲמִשָּׁה — מַאי אִיכָּא לְמֵימַר?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **This** calculation works out **well according to Rabbi Meir, who said** that **all the cubits** in the Tabernacle and the Temple **were intermediate** cubits, consisting of six handbreadths; **however, according to Rabbi Yehuda, who said** that the **cubit** used in the dimensions **of a building** in the Temple **was** a cubit consisting of **six handbreadths,** but the cubit used in the dimensions **of vessels was** a cubit consisting of only **five** handbreadths, **what is there to say?**


###### Sukkah 5b:12
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אָרוֹן וְכַפּוֹרֶת כַּמָּה הָוֵי לְהוּ? תְּמָנְיָא וּפַלְגָא, פָּשׁוּ לְהוּ חַד סְרֵי וּפַלְגָא, אֵימָא סוּכָּה עַד דְּהָוְיָא חַד סְרֵי וּפַלְגָא!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Based on that calculation, **how many** handbreadths **was** the height of the **Ark and** the **Ark cover?** They totaled **eight and a half** handbreadths. The height of the Ark was one and a half cubits, which, based on a five-handbreadth cubit, equals seven and a half handbreadths. Including the additional handbreadth of the Ark cover, the total height is eight and a half handbreadths. If the cherubs were one third of the height of the Tabernacle, which is twenty handbreadths, **eleven and a half** handbreadths **remain** for the height of the cherubs, over which their wings were spread. Therefore, **say** that for **a *sukka*** to be fit for use its interior space must be **eleven and a half** handbreadths high. However, there is no recorded opinion that requires a *sukka* with that dimension.


###### Sukkah 5b:13
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אֶלָּא, לְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה הִלְכְתָא גְּמִירִי לַהּ. דְּאָמַר רַבִּי חִיָּיא בַּר אָשֵׁי אָמַר רַב: שִׁיעוּרִין, חֲצִיצִין, וּמְחִיצִין — הֲלָכָה לְמֹשֶׁה מִסִּינַי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather,** according **to Rabbi Yehuda,** the Sages **learned** the minimum height of a *sukka* as a ***halakha*** transmitted to Moses from Sinai. **As Rabbi Ḥiyya bar Ashi said** that **Rav said: The measures** in various areas of *halakha*, e.g., olive-bulk, dried fig-bulk, egg-bulk, **and** the various *halakhot* of **interpositions** that serve as a barrier between one’s body and the water in a ritual bath and invalidate immersions, **and** the dimensions and nature of halakhic **partitions** are all ***halakhot*** transmitted **to Moses from Sinai.** They were not written in the Torah; rather, they were received in the framework of the Oral Law.


###### Sukkah 5b:14
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שִׁיעוּרִין דְּאוֹרָיְיתָא נִינְהוּ! דִּכְתִיב: ״אֶרֶץ חִטָּה וּשְׂעוֹרָה וְגֶפֶן וּתְאֵנָה וְרִמּוֹן אֶרֶץ זֵית שֶׁמֶן וּדְבָשׁ״, וְאָמַר רַב חָנִין: כׇּל הַפָּסוּק הַזֶּה לְשִׁיעוּרִין נֶאֱמַר!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara questions this assertion: Are **measures** a *halakha* transmitted to Moses from Sinai? **They are** written **in the Torah, as it is written: “A land of wheat, and barley, and vines, and figs, and pomegranates, a land of olive oil and honey”** (Deuteronomy 8:8), **and Rav Ḥanin said: This entire verse is stated for** the purpose of teaching **measures** with regard to different *halakhot* in the Torah.


###### Sukkah 5b:15
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חִטָּה — לְבַיִת הַמְנוּגָּע, דִּתְנַן: הַנִּכְנָס לְבַיִת הַמְּנוּגָּע וְכֵלָיו עַל כְּתֵפָיו, וְסַנְדָּלָיו וְטַבְּעוֹתָיו בְּיָדוֹ — הוּא וָהֵן טְמֵאִין מִיָּד.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Wheat** was mentioned as the basis **for** calculating the time required for one to become ritually impure when entering **a house afflicted with leprosy, as we learned** in a mishna: With regard to **one who enters a house afflicted with leprosy** of the house (see Leviticus, chapter 14), **and his clothes** are draped **over his shoulders, and his sandals and his rings are in his hands,** both **he and they,** the clothes, sandals, and rings, **immediately** become **ritually impure.**