## Temurah Daf 18b

###### Temurah 18b:1
[Temurah 18b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:1)

תָּנֵי רַבִּי חִיָּיא לְסַיּוֹעֵי לְרַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ בֶּן לֵוִי: ״אִם כֶּשֶׂב הוּא מַקְרִיב״ — וָלָד רִאשׁוֹן קָרֵב, וָלָד שֵׁנִי אֵינוֹ קָרֵב.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ **Rabbi Ḥiyya teaches** a *baraita* **to support** the opinion **of Rabbi Yehoshua ben Levi,** that all agree that the offspring of the offspring of a peace offering is not sacrificed: The verse states: **“If he sacrifices a lamb** for his offering, then shall he present it before the Lord” (Leviticus 3:7). Two limitations are derived from this verse: The word “lamb” indicates that **the first offspring,** i.e., the offspring of the peace offering, **is sacrificed,** but **the second offspring,** i.e., the offspring of the offspring, **is not sacrificed.**


###### Temurah 18b:2
[Temurah 18b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:2)

הוּא — קָרֵב, וְאֵין וְלַד כׇּל הַקֳּדָשִׁים קָרֵב.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
In addition, the word **“he [*hu*]”** is interpreted as referring to the offspring of the peace offering rather than the owner, as it is obvious from the context that the owner is sacrificing the animal and the word would be unnecessary if written only for that purpose. Therefore, it teaches that the offspring of a peace offering **is sacrificed, but the offspring of all** other **sacrificial** animals **is not sacrificed.** This indicates that even those Sages who rule that the offspring of a peace offering is sacrificed agree that the offspring of the offspring is not sacrificed.


###### Temurah 18b:3
[Temurah 18b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:3)

וָלָד דְּמַאי? אִי דְּעוֹלָה וְאָשָׁם — זְכָרִים הֵם, וְלָא בְּנֵי וָלָד הֵם. אִי דְּחַטָּאת — הִילְכְתָא גְּמִירִי לַהּ דִּלְמִיתָה אָזְלָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara clarifies the second limitation, that the offspring of other sacrificial animals is not sacrificed: **The offspring of which** type of offering is referred to here? **If** it is referring to that **of a burnt offering or guilt offering, they are male and** therefore **not capable of** giving birth to **offspring. If** it is referring to the offspring **of a sin offering,** the verse is unnecessary, as the Sages **learned this *halakha*** as a tradition **that it is left to die** and may not be offered.


###### Temurah 18b:4
[Temurah 18b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:4)

אָמַר רָבִינָא: לְאֵיתוֹיֵי וְלַד הַמְעוּשֶּׂרֶת, וְלַד הַמְעוּשֶּׂרֶת לְמָה לִי קְרָא? ״עֲבָרָה״ ״עֲבָרָה״ מִבְּכוֹר קָא גָמַר לַהּ!

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Ravina said:** The verse serves **to include,** in the limitation that the offspring of other sacrificial animals are not sacrificed, **the offspring of** an animal that was consecrated as animal **tithe** and then gave birth. The Gemara asks: **Why do I** need **a verse** to include **the offspring of** the animal **tithe? It is derived through** a verbal analogy between the word **passing [*avara*]** mentioned with regard to animal tithe, and the word **passing [*avara*]** mentioned with regard to **a firstborn** animal, which is male and cannot give birth to offspring. With regard to animal tithe the verse states: “And all the tithe of the herd or the flock, whatsoever passes [*ya’avor*] under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord” (Leviticus 27:32), and with regard to a firstborn, the verse states: “And you shall set apart [*veha’avarta*] for the Lord all that opens the womb; every firstborn that is a male, which you have that comes of an animal, shall be the Lord’s” (Exodus 13:12).


###### Temurah 18b:5
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אִצְטְרִיךְ, סָלְקָא דַעְתָּךְ אֲמִינָא: אֵין דָּנִין אֶפְשָׁר מִשֶּׁאִי אֶפְשָׁר, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara answers: This verse is **necessary,** as it might **enter your mind to say** that **one does not derive the possible from the impossible,** as in this case, where one seeks to derive by way of analogy the *halakha* of the offspring of animal tithe from that of a firstborn, which is a male and therefore cannot give birth. Therefore, the verse **teaches us** that the offspring of animal tithe is not sacrificed on the altar as an offering.


###### Temurah 18b:6
[Temurah 18b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:6)

הֵעִיד רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן וְרַבִּי פַּפְּיָיס כּוּ׳.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
§ The mishna teaches: **Rabbi Shimon and Rabbi Pappeyas testified** about the offspring of a peace offering that it is sacrificed as a peace offering. Rabbi Pappeyas added the testimony that he had a cow that was eaten as a peace offering on Passover, and its offspring was eaten as a peace offering on a different Festival [*beḥag*].


###### Temurah 18b:7
[Temurah 18b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:7)

וּלְרָבָא דְּאָמַר: קָדָשִׁים, כֵּיוָן שֶׁעָבַר עֲלֵיהֶם רֶגֶל אֶחָד, כָּל יוֹם וָיוֹם עוֹבֵר עֲלֵיהֶם בְּ״בַל תְּאַחֵר״, מֵעֲצֶרֶת בָּעֵי מֵיכְלֵיהּ! אָמַר רַב זְבִיד מִשְּׁמֵיהּ דְּרָבָא: כְּגוֹן שֶׁהָיָה חוֹלֶה בַּעֲצֶרֶת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Since the term *ḥag* generally refers to *Sukkot*, the Gemara asks: **And according to** the opinion of **Rava, who said** with regard to **sacrificial** animals that **once one pilgrimage Festival has passed** from when they were consecrated, and the owner has not yet brought them to the Temple, **each day he transgresses with regard to them** the prohibition **of: You shall not delay,** which is derived from the verse that states: “When you shall vow a vow to the Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it” (Deuteronomy 23:22), already **from *Shavuot* he must eat** the offspring of the peace offering that was sacrificed on Passover. Why then did they wait until *Sukkot*? **Rav Zevid said in the name of Rava:** It is referring to a case where the owner was unable to sacrifice the offspring of the peace offering on *Shavuot* due to circumstances beyond his control, **for example,** if the animal **was ill on *Shavuot*** [***ba’Atzeret***]**.**


###### Temurah 18b:8
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רַב אָשֵׁי אָמַר: מַאי ״חַג״ נָמֵי דְּקָתָנֵי? — חַג שָׁבוּעוֹת. וְאִידַּךְ, כֹּל הֵיכִי דְּקָתָנֵי ״פֶּסַח״ תָּנֵי ״עֲצֶרֶת״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ashi said** an alternative explanation: **What** is the meaning of the word ***ḥag* that is taught** in the mishna in the testimony of Rabbi Pappeyas? It is referring to **the festival of *Shavuot*,** not *Sukkot*. The Gemara asks: **And the other** *amora*, Rav Zevid, why didn’t he explain the mishna in this manner? The Gemara answers: **Wherever** the *tanna* **teaches** the word ***Pesaḥ*** in a mishna, and **he** wishes also to **teach** something about *Shavuot*, he uses the term ***atzeret*** rather than the word *ḥag*.


###### Temurah 18b:9
[Temurah 18b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:9)

אִי הָכִי, מַאי אַסְהָדוּתֵיהּ? לְאַפּוֹקֵי מִדְּרַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר, דְּאָמַר ״וְלַד שְׁלָמִים לֹא יִקְרַב שְׁלָמִים״, קָמַסְהֵיד הוּא דְּקָרֵב.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **If so,** that the offspring of the peace offering was not sacrificed on *Shavuot* due to illness, as suggested by Rava, or that it was indeed sacrificed on *Shavuot*, as proposed by Rav Ashi, **what** is the purpose of **the testimony** of Rabbi Pappeyas? He certainly cannot be excluding the opinion shared by Rava, as might have been indicated by a straightforward reading of the mishna. The Gemara answers: His testimony serves **to exclude** the opinion **of Rabbi Eliezer, who said** that **the offspring of a peace offering is not sacrificed as a peace offering.** Rabbi Pappeyas therefore **testifies that** the offspring of a peace offering **is sacrificed** as a peace offering, and that this was the actual practice in the Temple.


###### Temurah 18b:10
[Temurah 18b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:10)

**מַתְנִי׳** וְלַד תּוֹדָה וּתְמוּרָתָהּ, וְלָדָן וְלַד וְלָדָן עַד סוֹף כׇּל הַדּוֹרוֹת — הֲרֵי אֵלּוּ כְּתוֹדָה, וּבִלְבַד שֶׁאֵין טְעוּנִין לֶחֶם.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**MISHNA:** **The offspring of a thanks offering and the substitute** of a thanks offering, and **the offspring** of the offspring and its substitute, **and the offspring of their offspring until the end of all time, they are** all **like thanks offerings,** with the **only** difference being **that they do not require** the accompanying **loaves,** unlike the thanks offering itself.


###### Temurah 18b:11
[Temurah 18b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:11)

**גְּמָ׳** מְנָא הָנֵי מִילֵּי? דְּתָנוּ רַבָּנַן: מַהוּ אוֹמֵר ״יַקְרִיבֶנּוּ״?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**GEMARA:** The Gemara asks: **From where is this matter** derived, that the offspring and substitute of a thanks offering do not require the accompanying loaves? The Gemara answers: **As the Sages taught** in a *baraita*, with regard to the verse: “If he offers it for a thanksgiving, then he shall offer with the sacrifice of thanksgiving unleavened cakes mingled with oil, and unleavened wafers spread with oil” (Leviticus 7:12). **What** does the term **“offer it [*yakrivenu*]”** serve to **say?**


###### Temurah 18b:12
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מַפְרִישׁ תּוֹדָה, וְאָבְדָה, וְהִפְרִישׁ אַחֶרֶת תַּחְתֶּיהָ, וְנִמְצֵאת הָרִאשׁוֹנָה, וַהֲרֵי שְׁתֵּיהֶן עוֹמְדוֹת. מִנַּיִן שֶׁאֵיזוֹ שֶׁיִּרְצֶה יַקְרִיב וְלַחְמָהּ עִמָּהּ? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר: ״תּוֹדָה יַקְרִיב״.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The *baraita* explains: The term is referring to one who **designates a thanks offering and it was lost, and he separated another in its place, and** then **the first** animal **was found, and** now **both of them stand before him** available for sacrifice. **From where** is it derived **that he may sacrifice whichever** one **he wants and** bring **its** accompanying **loaves with it? The verse states: “He offers a thanks offering,”** indicating that he may offer either one.


###### Temurah 18b:13
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יָכוֹל תְּהֵא שְׁנִיָּה טְעוּנָה לֶחֶם? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״יַקְרִיבֶנּוּ״ — אַחַת וְלֹא שְׁתַּיִם. מִנַּיִן לְרַבּוֹת וְלָדוֹת תְּמוּרוֹת וַחֲלִיפוֹת? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״וְאִם עַל תּוֹדָה״. יָכוֹל יְהוּ כּוּלָּן טְעוּנוֹת לֶחֶם? תַּלְמוּד לוֹמַר ״עַל זֶבַח הַתּוֹדָה״ — תּוֹדָה טְעוּנָה לֶחֶם, וְלֹא וְלָדָהּ וּתְמוּרָתָהּ וַחֲלִיפָתָהּ טְעוּנָה לֶחֶם.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
One **might** have thought that even **the second should require** the accompanying **loaves.** Therefore, **the verse states: “Offer it,”** to teach that only **one** of them is brought with the loaves, **and not two. From where** is it derived that **the offspring, substitutes, and replacement** offerings, in the case where the animal was lost, another was separated in its place, and then the original animal was found, are **included** and may be sacrificed as well? **The verse states: “And if…as a thanksgiving,”** teaching that they may all be sacrificed as thanks offerings. One **might** have thought that **all of them require loaves.** Therefore, **the verse states: “With the sacrifice of thanksgiving,”** which indicates that only **the thanks offering** itself **requires loaves, but its offspring and its substitute and its replacement do not require loaves.**


###### Temurah 18b:14
[Temurah 18b:14](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:14)

**מַתְנִי׳** תְּמוּרַת עוֹלָה, וְלַד תְּמוּרָה, וְלַד וְלַד וְלָדָהּ עַד סוֹף כׇּל הָעוֹלָם — הֲרֵי אֵלּוּ כְּעוֹלָה, וּטְעוּנִין הֶפְשֵׁט וְנִיתּוּחַ וְכָלִיל לָאִשִּׁים. הַמַּפְרִישׁ נְקֵבָה לְעוֹלָה וְיָלְדָה זָכָר — יִרְעֶה עַד שֶׁיִּסְתָּאֵב וְיִמָּכֵר, וְיָבִיא בְּדָמָיו עוֹלָה. רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר אוֹמֵר: הוּא עַצְמוֹ יִקְרַב עוֹלָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**MISHNA:** With regard to **the substitute of a burnt offering, the offspring of the substitute,** e.g., if one substituted a female animal for a burnt offering, and it gave birth to a male, and **the offspring of the offspring of its offspring until the end of all time, they are** all **like burnt offerings and** therefore **they require flaying and cutting** into pieces **and** must be burned **completely in the fire.** In the case of **one who designates a female** animal **as a burnt offering,** which may be brought only from males, **and** that female **gave birth to a male,** although it is a male, **it** is left to **graze until it becomes unfit [*sheyista’ev*] and** then **it is sold, and he brings a burnt offering with** the **money** received for **its** sale. **Rabbi Elazar says:** The male offspring **itself is sacrificed as a burnt offering.**


###### Temurah 18b:15
[Temurah 18b:15](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:15)

**גְּמָ׳** מַאי שְׁנָא רֵישָׁא דְּלָא פְּלִיגִי, וּמַאי שְׁנָא סֵיפָא דִּפְלִיגִי?

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**GEMARA:** The first clause of the mishna states that the offspring of a female substitute for a burnt offering is brought as a burnt offering, whereas in the latter clause the Rabbis and Rabbi Elazar disagree about the status of a female animal that was consecrated as a burnt offering. The Gemara therefore asks: **What is different** in **the first clause that they do not disagree, and what is different** in **the latter clause that they disagree?**


###### Temurah 18b:16
[Temurah 18b:16](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:16)

אָמַר רַבָּה בַּר בַּר חַנָּה: בְּמַחְלוֹקֶת שְׁנוּיָה, וְרַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר הִיא. וְרָבָא אָמַר: אֲפִילּוּ תֵּימָא רַבָּנַן, עַד כָּאן לָא פְלִיגִי עֲלֵיהּ דְּרַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר אֶלָּא גַּבֵּי מַפְרִישׁ נְקֵבָה לְעוֹלָה, דְּאִימֵּיהּ לָא קְרֵיבָה, אֲבָל תְּמוּרָה דְּאִימֵּיהּ נָמֵי קְרֵיבָה — אֲפִילּוּ רַבָּנַן מוֹדוּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabba bar bar Ḥana says:** Even the first clause is **taught as** a matter in **dispute** between the Rabbis and Rabbi Elazar, **and** the ruling there **is** in accordance with the opinion of **Rabbi Elazar. And Rava said: You** may **even say** that the first clause is in accordance with the opinion of **the Rabbis,** but they **disagree with Rabbi Elazar only with regard to** one who **designates a female** animal **for a burnt offering,** as they maintain that the offspring may not be sacrificed **because its mother may not be sacrificed. But** with regard to the offspring of **a substitute, since its mother,** i.e., the original burnt offering that is the source of the mother’s sanctity as a substitute, **may also be sacrificed, even the Rabbis concede** that the offspring may be sacrificed.


###### Temurah 18b:17
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וּמִי אָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר יִקְרַב עוֹלָה הוּא עַצְמוֹ? וּרְמִינְהוּ: תְּמוּרַת אָשָׁם, וְלַד תְּמוּרָה, וְלָדָן, וְלַד וְלָדָן עַד סוֹף כׇּל הָעוֹלָם — יִרְעוּ עַד שֶׁיִּסְתָּאֲבוּ, וְיִמָּכְרוּ, וְיִפְּלוּ דְּמֵיהֶן לִנְדָבָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara asks: **And did Rabbi Elazar say** that the **offspring** of a female designated as a burnt offering **itself is sacrificed as a burnt offering? But** one may **raise a contradiction** from the mishna (20b): **The substitute of a guilt offering, the offspring of that substitute,** and **their offspring** and **the offspring of their offspring, until the end of all time,** all **graze until they become unfit, and then** each animal **is sold, and** the **money** received for the sale **is allocated for** communal **gift offerings.**


###### Temurah 18b:18
[Temurah 18b:18](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:18)

רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר אוֹמֵר: יָמוּתוּ. רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר אוֹמֵר: יָבִיא בִּדְמֵיהֶן עוֹלָה. בַּדָּמִים — אִין, הוּא עַצְמוֹ — לָא.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rabbi Eliezer says:** These animals are not left to graze until they become unfit and then each animal is sold; rather **they** are left to **die. Rabbi Elazar says:** Communal gift offerings are not purchased with the money from the sale; rather, the owner should **bring** an individual **burnt offering with** the **money** received for **its** sale. The Gemara infers from Rabbi Elazar’s statement that **with** the **money** received for its sale, **yes,** one brings an individual burnt offering, but the offspring of the substitute **itself, no,** one may not bring it as a burnt offering.


###### Temurah 18b:19
[Temurah 18b:19](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:19)

אָמַר רַב חִסְדָּא: רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר לְדִבְרֵיהֶם דְּרַבָּנַן קָאָמַר לְהוּ, לְדִידִי סְבִירָא לִי דַּאֲפִילּוּ וָלָד נָמֵי קָרֵב עוֹלָה, לְדִידְכוּ דְּאָמְרִיתוּ רוֹעֶה — אוֹדוֹ לִי מִיהַת דְּמוֹתָרוֹת לְנִדְבַת יָחִיד אָזְלִי, וְאָמְרִי לֵיהּ: מוֹתָרוֹת לְנִדְבַת צִיבּוּר אָזְלִי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rav Ḥisda said: Rabbi Elazar was speaking to them in accordance with the statement of the Rabbis,** as follows: **According to me, I hold that even the offspring** itself **is also sacrificed** as **a burnt offering.** But **according to you, who say** that the animal is left to **graze** until it becomes blemished and then it is sold and the money used for the purchase of burnt offerings, **concede to me at least that the remainder** of the money **goes for** the purchase of **individual gift** offerings, rather than communal offerings. **And** the Rabbis **said to him** in response that **the remainder** of the money **goes for communal gift** offerings.


###### Temurah 18b:20
[Temurah 18b:20](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Temurah/r/18b:20)

רָבָא אָמַר: עַד כַּאן לָא קָאָמַר רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר הוּא עַצְמוֹ יִקְרַב עוֹלָה, אֶלָּא בְּמַפְרִישׁ נְקֵבָה לְעוֹלָה, דְּאִיכָּא שֵׁם עוֹלָה עַל אִמּוֹ,

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rava said** another explanation: **Rabbi Elazar says** that the offspring **itself is offered** as **a burnt offering only** in a case **where he designated a female** animal **as a burnt offering** and it gave birth, **since there is burnt offering status** for a bird that is the same sex as **its mother.**