## Yoma Daf 79b

###### Yoma 79b:1
[Yoma 79b:1](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:1)

הָא כְּבֵיצָה — בָּעֵי סוּכָּה. וְאִי סָלְקָא דַעְתָּךְ כּוֹתֶבֶת הַגַּסָּה שֶׁאָמְרוּ יְתֵירָה מִכְּבֵיצָה, הַשְׁתָּא שְׁתֵּי כוֹתָבוֹת בְּלֹא גַּרְעִינָן לָא הָווּ כְּבֵיצָה, כּוֹתֶבֶת הַגַּסָּה וְגַרְעִינָתָהּ מִי הָוֵי יְתֵירָה מִכְּבֵיצָה?! אֲמַר רַבִּי יִרְמְיָה: אִין, שְׁתֵּי כוֹתָבוֹת בְּלֹא גַּרְעִינָתָן לָא הָווּ כְּבֵיצָה, כּוֹתֶבֶת הַגַּסָּה וְגַרְעִינָתָהּ הָוֵי יְתֵירָה מִכְּבֵיצָה. אֲמַר רַב פָּפָּא, הַיְינוּ דְּאָמְרִי אִינָשֵׁי: תְּרֵי קַבֵּי דְּתַמְרֵי חַד קַבָּא דְּקַשְׁיָיתָא וּסְרִיחַ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara clarifies: Food that has the volume of **an egg-bulk is required** to be eaten in **a *sukka*. If it should enter your mind** to say that the **volume of the large date that they spoke of is larger than** the volume of **an egg-bulk,** there is a contradiction. **Now,** comparing the two episodes, it seems that **two dates without their pits are not** the volume of **an egg.** If so, **can the volume of a large date and its pit** be **greater than that of an egg-bulk? Rav Yirmeya said: Yes,** although **two dates without their pits are not equal** to **an egg-bulk, the volume of a large date and its pit are larger than an egg-bulk,** since date pits are very large. **Rav Pappa said: This** explains the folk saying **that people say:** In **two *kav* of dates** there is **one *kav* and more of pits,** meaning that the volume of the pit is larger than that of the fruit itself.


###### Yoma 79b:2
[Yoma 79b:2](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:2)

רָבָא אָמַר: הָתָם הַיְינוּ טַעְמָא מִשּׁוּם דְּהָווּ לְהוּ פֵּירֵי, וּפֵירֵי לָא בָּעוּ סוּכָּה. מֵיתִיבִי, אָמַר רַבִּי: כְּשֶׁהָיִינוּ לוֹמְדִים תּוֹרָה אֵצֶל רַבִּי אֶלְעָזָר בֶּן שַׁמּוּעַ הֵבִיאוּ לְפָנֵינוּ תְּאֵנִים וַעֲנָבִים וַאֲכַלְנוּם אֲכִילַת עֲרַאי חוּץ לְסוּכָּה. אֲכִילַת עֲרַאי — אִין, אֲכִילַת קֶבַע — לָא! אֵימָא: אֲכַלְנוּם כַּאֲכִילַת עֲרַאי חוּץ לַסּוּכָּה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rava said:** This entire line of questioning has no basis: **There,** in the incident of the *sukka*, **this is the reasoning** that the *halakha* permits eating the dates outside of the *sukka*, **due to** the fact that dates **are fruit, and fruit need not** be eaten in **a *sukka*** but may be eaten outside of a *sukka*. The Gemara **raises an objection. Rabbi** Yehuda HaNasi **said: When we would learn Torah with Rabbi Elazar ben Shamua, they brought before us figs and grapes, and we ate them as a casual meal outside of the *sukka*.** The Gemara analyzes this: This implies that in the case of **a casual meal, yes,** it may be eaten outside of a *sukka*; but **a fixed meal** may **not** be eaten outside of a *sukka*. Therefore, a meal consisting of fruit must be eaten in a *sukka*. The Gemara rejects this: That is the wrong inference. Instead, **say we ate them as if** they were **a casual meal,** which may be eaten **outside of the *sukka*,** meaning that eating fruit is always considered a snack.


###### Yoma 79b:3
[Yoma 79b:3](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:3)

אִי בָּעֵית אֵימָא: אֲכַלְנוּם אֲכִילַת קֶבַע, וְאָכַלְנוּ פַּת אֲכִילַת עֲרַאי בַּהֲדַיְיהוּ חוּץ לַסּוּכָּה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**If you wish, say** instead that it can be understood in this way: **We ate** that fruit **as a fixed meal, and we ate bread as a casual meal with** the fruit, to temper their sweetness, **outside of the *sukka*.**


###### Yoma 79b:4
[Yoma 79b:4](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:4)

לֵימָא מְסַיַּיע לֵיהּ: לְפִיכָךְ, אִם הִשְׁלִים בְּמִינֵי תַרְגִּימָא — יָצָא. וְאִי סָלְקָא דַעְתָּךְ פֵּירֵי בָּעוּ סוּכָּה, לִיתְנֵי פֵּירוֹת! מַאי מִינֵי תַרְגִּימָא — פֵּירוֹת. וְאִיבָּעֵית אֵימָא: בְּאַתְרָא דְּלָא שְׁכִיחִי פֵּירֵי.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara suggests: **Let us say that** this *baraita* **supports** Rava. It teaches: **Therefore, if one completed** consuming the amount that one is required to eat in the *sukka* **with types of sweets, he has fulfilled** his obligation of sitting in the *sukka*. **If it should enter your mind** to say that **fruit** is **required** to be eaten in **a *sukka*,** then it should not say sweets; **let it teach fruit.** The Gemara rejects this proof: **What** do the words **types of sweets** mean? It means **fruit.** Therefore, this *baraita* is not a support for Rava’s opinion. **And if you wish, say** that this *baraita* is referring to **a place where fruits are uncommon,** and therefore other sweet foods are eaten, but fruit can similarly complete the requirement. Consequently, no support can be brought from here.


###### Yoma 79b:5
[Yoma 79b:5](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:5)

רַב זְבִיד אָמַר: כּוֹתֶבֶת הַגַּסָּה שֶׁאָמְרוּ — חֲסֵרָה מִכְּבֵיצָה. דִּתְנַן, בֵּית שַׁמַּאי אוֹמְרִים: שְׂאוֹר — בְּכַזַּיִת, חָמֵץ — בְּכַכּוֹתֶבֶת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
Until now, the Gemara has assumed that the volume of a large date is more than that of an egg. **Rav Zevid** disagreed with what was mentioned earlier and **said:** This is not so. Rather, **the volume of a large date that they spoke** of **is less than an egg-bulk, as we learned** in a mishna: **Beit Shammai say:** With regard to **leaven,** the sourdough used to make dough rise, ownership of **the volume of an olive-bulk** violates the prohibitions in the following verses stated regarding Passover: “And no leavened bread shall be seen with you” (Exodus 13:7) and “Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses” (Exodus 12:19). However, the amount of **leavened bread** that must be owned to violate the prohibition **is the volume of a large date.**


###### Yoma 79b:6
[Yoma 79b:6](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:6)

וְהָוֵינַן בָּהּ: מַאי טַעְמָא דְּבֵית שַׁמַּאי? נִכְתּוֹב רַחֲמָנָא ״חָמֵץ״, וְלָא בָּעֵי ״שְׂאוֹר״, וַאֲנָא אָמֵינָא: וּמָה חָמֵץ שֶׁאֵין חִמּוּצוֹ קָשֶׁה — אָסוּר בִּכְזַיִת, שְׂאוֹר שֶׁחִמּוּצוֹ קָשֶׁה — לֹא כָּל שֶׁכֵּן? מִדְּפַלְגִינְהוּ רַחֲמָנָא, לִימְּדָה לְךָ שִׁיעוּרוֹ שֶׁל זֶה לֹא כְּשִׁיעוּרוֹ שֶׁל זֶה. שְׂאוֹר בְּכַזַּיִת, וְחָמֵץ בְּכַכּוֹתֶבֶת.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara continues. **And we discussed it: What is the reason** for the opinion **of Beit Shammai?** If both leaven and leavened bread had the same measure that determines liability, **let the Merciful One write** only: **“Leavened bread,” and** He would **not need** to write: **“Leaven.” I would say,** based on logic: **If leavened bread, whose leavening ability is** not as **strong, is prohibited** at **an olive-bulk, all the more so** should **not leaven, whose leavening ability is strong** because it causes dough to rise, be also prohibited at an olive-bulk? Since **the Merciful One distinguishes** between **them** and states both “leaven” and “leavened bread,” this **taught you** that **the measure for one is not** the same as **the measure for the other.** The measure that determines liability for **leaven** is **an olive-bulk,** like in the case of most prohibitions from the Torah, and the measure that determines liability for **leavened bread,** whose leavening ability is weaker, is the **volume of a large date.**


###### Yoma 79b:7
[Yoma 79b:7](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:7)

וְאִי סָלְקָא דַּעְתָּךְ כּוֹתֶבֶת הַגַּסָּה שֶׁאָמְרוּ יְתֵירָה מִכְּבֵיצָה, מִכְּדִי בֵּית שַׁמַּאי אַשִּׁיעוּרָא דִּנְפִישׁ מִכְּזַיִת קָא מְהַדְּרִי, לִיתְנֵי כְּבֵיצָה. וְאִי נָמֵי כִּי הֲדָדֵי נִינְהוּ, נִיתְנֵי כְּבֵיצָה! אֶלָּא לָאו, שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ: כּוֹתֶבֶת פְּחוּתָה מִכְּבֵיצָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara clarifies: **And if it should enter your mind** to say: **The volume of the large date that they spoke** of **is greater than an egg-bulk, since Beit Shammai are searching for the measure** one size **larger than an olive-bulk,** as they proved that leavened bread must have a larger measure than an olive-bulk, and if the measure one size larger than an olive-bulk is an egg-bulk, then **let them teach an egg-bulk** and not a date. **Alternatively, if they are** exactly **the same** volume, and the volume of a large date has the same volume as an egg-bulk, **they should have taught an egg-bulk,** which is the more commonly used measure. **Rather,** must one **not conclude from here that the volume of a large date is less than an egg-bulk?**


###### Yoma 79b:8
[Yoma 79b:8](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:8)

מִמַּאי? דִּילְמָא לְעוֹלָם אֵימָא לְךָ כּוֹתֶבֶת הַגַּסָּה שֶׁאָמְרוּ — יְתֵירָה מִכְּבֵיצָה, הָא סְתָמָא — כְּבֵיצָה. וְאִי נָמֵי כִּי הֲדָדֵי נִינְהוּ, וַחֲדָא מִינַּיְיהוּ נְקַט.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
The Gemara rejects this: **From where** is your proof? **Perhaps I could actually say to you** that the measure of **the volume of a large date that they said is larger than an egg-bulk;** however, the volume of a date of **normal** size is the same as **an egg-bulk,** and Beit Shammai were referring to a normal-sized date. **Alternatively,** say **that** the volume of a large date and an egg-bulk **are equal, and** the mishna **chose** to use **one of them.** Either way, there is no proof from here that the volume of a large date is greater than an egg-bulk.


###### Yoma 79b:9
[Yoma 79b:9](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:9)

אֶלָּא מֵהָכָא: עַד כַּמָּה מְזַמְּנִין? עַד כְּזַיִת, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי מֵאִיר. רַבִּי יְהוּדָה אוֹמֵר: עַד כְּבֵיצָה. בְּמַאי קָא מִיפַּלְגִי — רַבִּי מֵאִיר סָבַר: ״וְאָכַלְתָּ״, זוֹ אֲכִילָה, ״וְשָׂבָעְתָּ״, זוֹ שְׁתִיָּה — וַאֲכִילָה בִּכְזַיִת. וְרַבִּי יְהוּדָה סָבַר: ״וְאָכַלְתָּ וְשָׂבָעְתָּ״, אֲכִילָה שֶׁיֵּשׁ בָּהּ שְׂבִיעָה, וְאֵי זֶה — זֶה כְּבֵיצָה.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**Rather,** it cannot be proven from here. Proof can be found **from here: How much** must one eat **to obligate** those with whom he ate in **an invitation** [***zimmun*]** for Grace After Meals? **An olive-bulk** of food suffices to obligate those with whom they ate in a *zimmun*; these are **the words of Rabbi Meir. Rabbi Yehuda says: An egg-bulk** is the minimum measure to obligate those with whom they ate in a *zimmun*. The Gemara clarifies: **With regard to what do they disagree? Rabbi Meir holds** that the verse “And you shall eat and be satisfied and bless the Lord your God” (Deuteronomy 8:10) should be understood as follows: **“And you shall eat”; this** is referring to **eating. “And be satisfied”; this** is referring to **drinking.** The definition of **eating** throughout the Torah is consuming **an olive-bulk. Rabbi Yehuda holds: “And you shall eat and be satisfied”** is referring to **eating that causes satisfaction, and what is that?** The volume of **an egg-bulk.** Less than that amount of food is not satisfying.


###### Yoma 79b:10
[Yoma 79b:10](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:10)

וְאִי סָלְקָא דַעְתָּךְ כּוֹתֶבֶת הַגַּסָּה שֶׁאָמְרוּ יְתֵירָה מִכְּבֵיצָה, הַשְׁתָּא כְּבֵיצָה שַׂבּוֹעֵי מְשַׂבְּעָא, דַּעְתָּא לָא מִיַּתְּבָא?! אֶלָּא לָאו, שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ: כּוֹתֶבֶת הַגַּסָּה שֶׁאָמְרוּ פָּחוֹת מִכְּבֵיצָה. כְּבֵיצָה — מְשַׂבְּעָא, כְּכוֹתֶבֶת — מִיַּתְּבָא דַּעְתֵּיהּ.

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**And if it should enter your mind** to say that **the volume of the large date that they spoke** of **is larger than an egg-bulk,** the following question can be asked: **Now** that we have said that the volume of **an egg-bulk satisfies,** can we say that **it does not settle the mind,** and thereby remove the affliction of Yom Kippur? **Rather,** must one **not conclude from** this that **the volume of a large date that they said is less than the size of an egg-bulk?** Eating the larger amount **of an egg-bulk satisfies** a person, but eating **the volume of a large date** only **settles his mind.**


###### Yoma 79b:11
[Yoma 79b:11](https://torahapp.org/share/book/Yoma/r/79b:11)

תַּנְיָא, רַבִּי אוֹמֵר:

**William Davidson Edition - English:**
**It was taught** in a *baraita*: **Rabbi** Yehuda HaNasi **says:**