# How Would Pharaoh Read the Haggadah? with Rabbi Dr. Joshua Berman (284)

From **Orthodox Conundrum: R Scott Kahn** by R Scott Kahn.

- **Published:** Mon, 16 Mar 2026 00:00:00 +0000
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<![CDATA[<p data-start="251" data-end="347"><span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn"><strong>Check out Orthodox Conundrum Commentary on Substack and get your free subscription by going to <a href= "https://scottkahn.substack.com/">https://scottkahn.substack.com/</a> - and paid subscribers get this and other episodes of the Orthodox Conundrum Podcast ad-free and with early access and additional bonus content!</strong></span></p> <p data-start="251" data-end="347"><span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">What</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">if</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">story</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">we</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">tell</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">at</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Seder</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">was</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">originally</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">speaking</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">directly</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">to</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">world</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Pharaoh?</span></p> <p data-start="349" data-end="743"><span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">In</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">this</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">episode</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Orthodox</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Conundrum</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Podcast,</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Rabbi</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Dr.</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Joshua</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Berman</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Bar</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Ilan</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">University</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">joins</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">me</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">to</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">discuss</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">his</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">fascinating</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">new</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Haggadah,</span> <em data-start="497" data-end= "514"><span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Echoes</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Egypt</span></em><span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">.</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Drawing</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">on</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">discoveries</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">from</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Egyptology</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">and</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">broader</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">study</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">ancient</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Near</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">East,</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Rabbi</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Berman</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">shows</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">how</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Torah</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">often</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">takes</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">language,</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">imagery,</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">and</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">political</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">assumptions</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">ancient</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Egypt</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">and</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">turns</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">them</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">on</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">their</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">head.</span></p> <p data-start="745" data-end="1099"><span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Seen</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">in</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">this</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">light,</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">familiar</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">phrases</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">in</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Haggadah</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">take</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">on</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">new</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">meaning.</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">The</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Exodus</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">becomes</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">not</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">only</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">a</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">story</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">liberation,</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">but</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">a</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">profound</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">challenge</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">to</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">worldview</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">ancient</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">world,</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">replacing</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">glorification</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">kings</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">and</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">power</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">with</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">a</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">revolutionary</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">vision</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">God,</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">freedom,</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">and</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">dignity</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">ordinary</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">people.</span></p> <p data-start="1101" data-end="1301"><span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">If</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">you</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">want</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">to</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">experience</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">story</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">of</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Exodus</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">with</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">fresh</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">eyes</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">this</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Pesach,</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">this</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">conversation</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">may</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">change</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">way</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">you</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">read</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">Haggadah—</span><span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">and</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">way</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">you</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">imagine</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">the</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">world</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">from</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">which</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">it</span> <span class="BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">first</span> <span class= "BZ_Pyq_fadeIn">emerged.</span></p> <p dir="ltr"><em>Find the <strong>Women's Gallery Podcast</strong> on <a href= "https://open.spotify.com/show/6kWm4JrkwmgwJhpPNXki6k?si=224cefae00fe41ec" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Spotify</a>, <a href= "https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/womens-gallery-showcasing-women-in-jewish-leadership/id1758090115" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Apple</a>, or anywhere you get your podcasts.</em></p> <p dir="ltr"><em>To listen to the latest episode of Intimate Judaism, <strong>Don't Look, Don't Tell,</strong> click <a href= "https://www.intimatejudaism.com/dont-look-dont-tell-episode-68/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>.</em></p> <p dir="ltr"><em>To order Rabbi Dr. Berman's new Haggadah,</em> Echoes of Egypt, <em><a href= 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