# <![CDATA[S9 E1, King Manasseh vs. the Prophet Isaiah: A Debate on Idolatry, pt. 1: Manasseh's Case]]>

From **The Great Sources with Rabbi Shnayor Burton** by R Shnayor Burton.

- **Published:** Wed, 11 Sep 2024 02:38:36 GMT
- **Duration:** 00:56:50
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<![CDATA[<p>Highlights:
0:00 The position of our Rebbe, the wicked King Manasseh, that idolatry is appropriate</p>
<p>5:00 Manasseh's case against the Isaiah in which he charged the prophet with heresy and executed him for that crime</p>
<p>8:45 Can Hashem be seen or not? Moshe's stance and the prophets' stance</p>
<p>12:00 Can Hashem be known or not? Moshe's stance and the prophets' stance</p>
<p>20:30 Moshe uses words differently than all the prophets do, and is therefore termed "not a man of words"</p>
<p>24:15 The contradiction between the Torah and the Prophets regarding the importance of sacrificial worship (https://open.substack.com/pub/shnayor/p/ee-and-r-3_4-between-the-torah-and?r=111271&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web)</p>
<p>29:45 The prophets do something fundamentally different from Moshe and the Torah</p>
<p>34:30 Moshe's request to see God indicates that Moshe is supposed to see God</p>
<p>36:30 The last of the books of the Torah implies that Hashem can be known</p>
<p>38:15 Idolatry is wrong only for those who are familiar with Hashem and know Him</p>
<p>43:00 Manasseh's argument why idolatry is appropriate according to the Torah itself</p>
<p>46:00 Manasseh considered the Torah to be aspirational until such time that its great potential is unlocked</p>
<p>48:00 Manasseh considered avoiding idolatry to be akin to rushing the end of times before we're ready for it</p>
<p>51:15 The unrequited overture to the Nation of Israel at the time of the Exodus offering them knowledge of Hashem</p>
<p>54:30 The Torah has always been aspirational 
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