# <![CDATA[S9 E2, King Manasseh vs. the Prophet Isaiah: A Debate on Idolatry, pt. 2: Isaiah's Case]]>

From **The Great Sources with Rabbi Shnayor Burton** by R Shnayor Burton.

- **Published:** Thu, 19 Sep 2024 03:11:20 GMT
- **Duration:** 00:39:58
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<![CDATA[<p>Highlights:

4:00 Knowing Hashem and seeing Hashem</p>
<p>7:15 Moshe sought moral knowledge of God's ways, not metaphysical knowledge of God's nature</p>
<p>10:30 Moshe sought to understand why some righteous people suffer, and other righteous people prosper; why some evildoers suffer, and other evildoers prosper</p>
<p>16:30 Moshe couldn't understand the goodness of God as it is manifest in the universe; the prophets could understand it</p>
<p>18:15 Completely righteous people don't suffer, whereas incompletely righteous people do suffer</p>
<p>22:00 What completely righteous people believe to be right will occur to them</p>
<p>26:00 The answer to the question about the suffering of the righteous was acceptable for the prophets but not for Moshe</p>
<p>29:30 Is God good if He is good only to the extent that people are completely righteous?</p>
<p>32:30 Seeing Hashem's back means seeing the end of His actions, in the future; seeing His face means seeing Him in the present</p>
<p>36:00 A person should emulate Hashem if and only if His actions are known


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