# <![CDATA[S10, E3 In Pursuit of Knowing Hashem: Psychology or Metaphysics?]]>

From **The Great Sources with Rabbi Shnayor Burton** by R Shnayor Burton.

- **Published:** Tue, 01 Jul 2025 02:45:00 GMT
- **Duration:** 01:49:53
- **Audio:** https://anchor.fm/s/fb5467c/podcast/play/104864790/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-6-1%2F403097412-44100-2-2be758221e6ff.mp3
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<![CDATA[<p>conversation # 3 of the series</p><p>In this conversation, Zev and I share a list of questions related to Knowing Hashem, and discuss whether it involves psychological transformation or mastery of metaphysical knowledge. </p><p>Links: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbUFyNlFSUU9vVWNjVnM2dEpqT1FBX1VpZWpqd3xBQ3Jtc0ttQy1rX29La0JhMmRqaXpLXzZIZXMwbGFPRmRmOGVMX244bVdxeU80MGlYT3A2VEhrRlhXY0F3bGR6VEdUdkhWWm1TbFpHYkRPZWV1djhxY204VGVIUUphM0xBdnNhSFZGSGd4LUxxOTRSTnBJU0NWQQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.substack.com%2Fpub%2Fshnayor%2Fp%2Fhow-to-be-in-love-with-the-universe%3Fr%3D111271%26utm_campaign%3Dpost%26utm_medium%3Dweb%26showWelcomeOnShare%3Dfalse&v=7oWOboaQE0g" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://open.substack.com/pub/shnayor...</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa0otMXRrMHZPcUpYTi1IS19PV3hWc2ZtR3o2Z3xBQ3Jtc0tuandwTlBtR1J1eEs0c08yWUtuWlBsSEJHMC11ZHFzVkxxdjZ2eV96ZmFOWGZzcXVfa0Z0OGd1cnh0aGhxUURMWV9oR2c2azJmN3MwWUhmLURIMEoxNlZUSTQyZi1zbE9fdl83VGkyOXNiSm1vLTVocw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.substack.com%2Fpub%2Fshnayor%2Fp%2Fhow-to-fall-in-love-with-the-universe%3Fr%3D111271%26utm_campaign%3Dpost%26utm_medium%3Dweb%26showWelcomeOnShare%3Dfalse&v=7oWOboaQE0g" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://open.substack.com/pub/shnayor...</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbEU5OEZXV1ZJZ3RBN0Q3VV9DSFdtX1U5dEFGUXxBQ3Jtc0trUDl4RnB0em1kazdWQkpiU1dxZ0xDSElxS0d3RzFhT1FhOE9hZGJzUnZhYzk3Q0dueHhMTmhXTVp6QzR1Tk9jNnBSb04yWEFIWjZMZW5Hek1oUkIwa25MVjhxNWhXVUhxZWJWY3RSNDV1MUl0ZTNBdw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.substack.com%2Fpub%2Fshnayor%2Fp%2Fexodus-exile-and-redemption-section-05f%3Fr%3D111271%26utm_campaign%3Dpost%26utm_medium%3Dweb%26showWelcomeOnShare%3Dfalse&v=7oWOboaQE0g" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://open.substack.com/pub/shnayor...</a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbmtBMTJha2ZsM0xxaWpLanl3em1WdGc0T3N4QXxBQ3Jtc0ttTWc2Tmowd0xpM3pxamFRSXlMM1N5Y2dyM1NtRnprbmtOTDB5UUxsTWNRMzhyUGpxUF83YnpycjFGUjI3VFZFYlJOTmdOT0xzWnUtNDhWQWlJeDgzdE1ySXpRVFp0YUFRT1RTZlZrd195Ul9uOElOSQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fdp%2FB0727TH8X8&v=7oWOboaQE0g" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0727TH8X8</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">0:00</a> A list of questions and issues that relate to the project of knowing Hashem </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=150s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">2:30</a> What's the difference between talking about Hashem and talking about knowing Hashem?</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=450s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">7:30</a> Do the right words for the discipline of knowing Hashem exist yet?</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=1395s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">23:15</a> Is knowledge of Hashem actually achievable or is it an ideal toward which we strive?</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=2040s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">34:00</a> Where do animals fit in to knowing Hashem?</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=2475s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">41:15</a> The difference between the message of the Prophets and the message of the Rambam and Kabbalists: Psychology or Metaphysics? </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=4200s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">1:10:00</a> The prophets’ four-step training in Da’as Hashem</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=4740s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">1:19:00</a> Testing thought across all of space and time</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=5010s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">1:23:30</a> Universal thinking leads to good character traits </p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=5115s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">1:25:15</a> People of good character believe in goodness</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=5370s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">1:29:30</a> When those people then find the goodness in which they believe – that is Da’as Hashem</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=5880s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">1:38:00</a> Knowing Hashem as a kind of action, not a belief</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=6270s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">1:44:30</a> Why the prophets and the Rambam/Kabbalists took different approaches to knowing Hashem</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oWOboaQE0g&t=6450s" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">1:47:30</a> How it becomes easier to know everything</p>
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