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Nedarim Daf 61b

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לִסְפֵיקָא, וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי סָבַר: מְעַיֵּיל אִינִישׁ נַפְשֵׁיהּ לִסְפֵיקָא.

William Davidson Edition - English

in a position of uncertainty, and Rabbi Yosei holds that a person does place himself in a position of uncertainty?

וּרְמִינְהִי: מִי שֶׁיֵּשׁ לוֹ שְׁתֵּי כִּיתֵּי בָנוֹת מִשְׁתֵּי נָשִׁים, וְאָמַר: קִדַּשְׁתִּי אֶת בִּתִּי הַגְּדוֹלָה, וְאֵינִי יוֹדֵעַ אִם גְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּגְּדוֹלוֹת, אִם גְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּקְּטַנּוֹת, וְאִם קְטַנָּה שֶׁבַּגְּדוֹלוֹת שֶׁהִיא גְּדוֹלָה מִן הַגְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּקְּטַנּוֹת — כּוּלָּן אֲסוּרוֹת, דִּבְרֵי רַבִּי מֵאִיר. חוּץ מִן הַקְּטַנָּה שֶׁבַּקְּטַנּוֹת.

William Davidson Edition - English

The Gemara raises a contradiction from the following mishna (Kiddushin 64b): In the case of one who has two groups of two daughters born to him from two women, e.g., he has two daughters from his first wife, and after his first wife died he remarried and had two daughters with his second wife, and he said: I betrothed my older daughter to someone, but I do not know if I meant the older of the older group of daughters; or if I meant the older daughter of the younger group; or if I meant the younger daughter of the older group, who is nevertheless older than the older daughter of the younger group, then all three of those daughters are prohibited to marry another man due to the uncertainty, as he failed to clarify which daughter was betrothed. This applies to all the daughters apart from the younger daughter of the younger group, who is certainly not betrothed. This is the statement of Rabbi Meir.

רַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: כּוּלָּן מוּתָּרוֹת, חוּץ מִן הַגְּדוֹלָה שֶׁבַּגְּדוֹלוֹת.

William Davidson Edition - English

Rabbi Yosei says: They are all permitted to marry, apart from the older daughter of the older group. This demonstrates that according to Rabbi Meir, one must take into account any of the possible meanings of the imprecise expression: My older daughter, whereas Rabbi Yosei maintains that only the narrowest possible meaning of the phrase is taken into account. This contradicts the mishna here.

אָמַר רַבִּי חֲנִינָא בַּר אַבְדִּימִי אָמַר רַב: מוּחְלֶפֶת הַשִּׁיטָה. וְהָתַנְיָא, זֶה הַכְּלָל: כֹּל שֶׁזְּמַנּוֹ קָבוּעַ וְאָמַר ״עַד לִפְנֵי״ — רַבִּי מֵאִיר אוֹמֵר: עַד שֶׁיֵּצֵא, וְרַבִּי יוֹסֵי אוֹמֵר: עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ.

William Davidson Edition - English

In response to this question, Rabbi Ḥanina bar Avdimi said that Rav said: The attribution of the opinions is reversed, i.e., the views stated in the mishna here must be reversed in order to reconcile them with the mishna in Kiddushin. And it is indeed taught in a baraita that this is the principle: With regard to any vow which specifies a fixed time, i.e., an event that occurs on a particular date, and one said that the vow applies until before that event, Rabbi Meir says the vow applies until the event ends, and Rabbi Yosei says that the vow is in effect only until the event arrives. This is another proof that the opinions in the mishna here must be reversed.

מַתְנִי׳ ״עַד הַקָּצִיר״, ״עַד הַבָּצִיר״, ״עַד הַמָּסִיק״ — אֵינוֹ אָסוּר אֶלָּא עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ. זֶה הַכְּלָל: כֹּל שֶׁזְּמַנּוֹ קָבוּעַ, וְאָמַר: ״עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ״ — אָסוּר עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ. אָמַר: ״עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא״ — אָסוּר עַד שֶׁיֵּצֵא. וְכֹל שֶׁאֵין זְמַנּוֹ קָבוּעַ, בֵּין אָמַר ״עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא״, בֵּין אָמַר ״עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ״ — אֵינוֹ אָסוּר אֶלָּא עַד שֶׁיַּגִּיעַ.

William Davidson Edition - English

MISHNA: If one takes a vow that something is forbidden to him until the grain harvest, or until the grape harvest, or until the olive harvest, it is forbidden to him only until the arrival of that season. This is the principle: With regard to any occasion whose time is fixed, and one said: Until it arrives, it is forbidden to him until the specified occasion arrives. If he said: Until it will be, it is forbidden to him until the specified occasion ends. And with regard to any occasion whose time is not fixed, i.e., it does not fall on a precise date, whether he said: Until it will be, or: Until it arrives, it is forbidden to him only until the specified occasion arrives.

״עַד הַקַּיִץ״, ״עַד שֶׁיְּהֵא הַקַּיִץ״ — עַד שֶׁיַּתְחִילוּ הָעָם לְהַכְנִיס בְּכַלְכַּלּוֹת. ״עֵד שֶׁיַּעֲבוֹר הַקַּיִץ״ — עַד שֶׁיַּקְפִּילוּ הַמִּקְצוֹעוֹת.

William Davidson Edition - English

If he said: Until the summer [kayitz], or: Until it will be summer, the vow remains in effect until the people begin to bring fruit into their houses in baskets. If he said: Until the summer has passed, the vow remains in effect until the people set aside [yakpilu] the knives [hamaktzuot] with which the figs are cut after being harvested, and return them to their place of storage.

גְּמָ׳ תָּנָא: ״כַּלְכַּלָּה״ שֶׁאָמְרוּ — כַּלְכַּלָּה שֶׁל תְּאֵנִים, וְלֹא כַּלְכַּלָּה שֶׁל עֲנָבִים. תַּנְיָא: הַנּוֹדֵר מִפֵּירוֹת הַקַּיִץ — אֵין אָסוּר אֶלָּא בִּתְאֵנִים. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל אוֹמֵר: עֲנָבִים בִּכְלַל תְּאֵנִים.

William Davidson Edition - English

GEMARA: The Sage taught: The basket about which they spoke in the mishna is a basket of figs, and not a basket of grapes, which are gathered later than figs. It is taught in a baraita: One who vows that summer [kayitz] produce is forbidden to him is prohibited from partaking only of figs, as the fig harvest is called kayitz. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: Grapes are included in the category of the summer produce, along with figs.

מַאי טַעְמָא דְּתַנָּא קַמָּא? קָסָבַר: תְּאֵנִים מִיקַּצְצָן בִּידָא, עֲנָבִים לָא מִיקַּצְצָן בִּידָא. רַבָּן שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן גַּמְלִיאֵל סָבַר: עֲנָבִים נָמֵי, כִּי מִירַדְּדָן — מִיקַּצְצָן בִּידָא.

William Davidson Edition - English

The Gemara asks: What is the reason of the first tanna? The Gemara answers: He holds that since figs are plucked [mikkatzetzan] by hand, while grapes are plucked not by hand but with tools, it is only figs that are considered summer [kayitz] produce. Conversely, Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel holds that grapes, too, when they are sufficiently ripe, are plucked by hand. Therefore, they can be considered summer produce as well.

״עַד שֶׁיַּעֲבוֹר הַקַּיִץ״, עַד שֶׁיִּכָּפְלוּ הַמַּקְצוּעוֹת. תָּנָא: עַד שֶׁיַּכְפִּילוּ רוֹב הַמַּקְצוּעוֹת.

William Davidson Edition - English

§ The mishna states that if one said: Until the summer has passed, then the vow remains in effect until the people set aside the knives used to cut the figs. It was taught: This means until most people set aside their knives, even if there are still some individuals who have yet to do so.

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